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Brian McLaren his views on hell, the atonement and other issues

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 31, 2009

Unbeliever Brian McLaren and his views on hell and the atonement. Scary that this guy was voted one of the top influential evangelicals by Time Magazine.

source-http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,1022576,00.html
Folks this guy is not a saved Christian.
He is a Christian in name only.
The video was taken from the bleeding purple podcast found here.

http://www.enteuxis.org/leifh/bleedingpurple21b.mp3

Brian denies that Jesus was God instead Brian lumps Jesus in with Gandhi and Martin Luther King JR and suggests its best to think of Jesus as one of many rather than lift him up as some extraordinary example.
Brian doesn’t want us to think of Christianity as an exclusive religion.

But Jesus said in John 14:6
“6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Which contradicts what Brian states.

Do you believe Brian McLaren or Jesus Christ?

You cant believe both.

Brian is also quoted in Preacher Magazine a Nazarene magazine to pastors.
Here-http://www.nph.com/nphweb/html/pmol/emerging.htm

Brian also speaks at Nazarene colleges.

If the Nazarene leadership doesn’t even think to protect its own leadership from false teachers who do you think guards the sheep?

Come on folks wake up out of the stupor you are in.

Here are some more Brian McLaren quotes

“I don’t think we’ve got the gospel right yet. What does it mean to be ’saved’?…. I don’t think the liberals have it right. But I don’t think we have it right either. None of us has arrived at orthodoxy.”
––Brian McLaren, The Emergent Mystique, Christianity Today, 2004

“Tony [Campolo] and I might disagree on the details, but I think we are both trying to find an alternative to both traditional Universalism and the narrow, exclusivist understanding of hell [that unless you explicitly accept and follow Jesus, you are excluded from eternal life with God and destined for hell].”
–Brian McLaren’s Inferno 2, Out of Ur, May 2006

“What if Jesus’ secret message reveals a secret plan?”…. What if he didn’t come to start a new religion–but rather came to start a political, social, religious, artistic, economic, intellectual, and spiritual revolution that would give birth to a new world?”
––Brian McLaren, The Secret Message of Jesus, p. 4

“…. Alan Jones is a pioneer in reimagining a Christian faith that emerges from authentic spirituality. His work stimulates and encourages me deeply.” (Brian McLaren’s comments on the back flap of Alan Jones’ book Reimagining Christianity where Alan Jones states the following about the Christ’s crucifixion: “The Church’s fixation on the death of Jesus as the universal saving act must end, and the place of the cross must be reimagined in Christian faith. Why? Because of the cult of suffering and the vindictive God behind it.” (p. 132)
“The other thread of just criticism addresses the suggestion implicit in the cross that Jesus’ sacrifice was to appease an angry god. Penal substitution [the Cross] was the name of this vile doctrine.” (p. 168)

“The church latched on to that old doctrine of original sin like a dog to a stick, and before you knew it, the whole gospel got twisted around it. Instead of being God’s big message of saving love for the whole world, the gospel became a little bit of secret information on how to solve the pesky legal problem of original sin.”
–Brian McLaren, The Last Word and the Word After That, p.134

“I must add, though, that I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu, or Jewish contexts.”
—Brian McLaren, A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 260

“I am a Christian because I believe that, in all these ways, Jesus is saving the world. By “world” I mean planet Earth and all life on it, because left to ourselves, un-judged, un-forgiven, and un-taught, we will certainly destroy this planet and its residents. And by “the world” I specifically mean human history, because again, it was and is in danger, grave danger, ultimate danger, self-imposed danger, and I don’t believe anyone else can rescue it.”
—Brian McLaren, A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 97

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Biblical Nazarene website a joke

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 24, 2009

Yes folks if you have not guessed it yet the website Biblical Nazarenes website is a spoof.

A futile attempt to try to malign and discredit me and my friends before the release of our DVD exposing the Emergent Church within the Nazarene denomination.

Its really no joke that one of the biggest fans of this website is unbeliever and exposed wolf Greg Horton.

Well birds of a feather…

The master of this website even wrote me a email confessing the site was a joke.

The site of course was not a joke or parody until it was exposed and then the site owner back pedaled.

Most parody sites like Lark News and The Door magazine offer disclaimers so people would not be deceived.

I believe the intent of this site was to deceive.

And it did.

Part of the article I had posted here after my comments had some pretty crude and graphic quotes. I have pulled the article for that reason. The quotes were made by a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing but sometimes its just best to not repeat what the ungodly have said.

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The Authority of scripture

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 23, 2009

You know sometimes smart guys say dumb things.

And a lot of smart guys in Nazarene university’s are in my opinion saying some dumb things.

I have read many of Dennis Bratchers commentaries and some are quite good.

I think Dennis has a real problem with the authority of scripture though concerning the scriptures being  inerrant.

Also Dennis seems to blame everything on Calvinists. 

So in other words if you view the scriptures to be without error you must be a Calvinist because you know they made up this whole scripture without error thing during the reformation.

That of course is absurd because scripture has always spoken of itself without error since it was written.

Again a smart guy saying dumb things.

Here is a quote from one of Dennis’s articles-

The idea that all knowledge about everything comes by revelation from God has made its way in various forms even into modern thinking, particularly through the Calvinistic tradition that uses the sovereignty of God as a primary theological category. This has relevance in our present discussion of Scripture, because some adopt this view in relation to the Bible and see Scripture itself as directrevelation by God covering all knowledge and data. Scripture is seen in this view in absolute categories, from which perspective the terms inerrant and infallible are most often used to describe Scripture.

However, I do not view Scripture in those terms. I do not understand the Bible itself to be direct revelation, and I do not consider it be revelation about everything. Scripture is the witness that the community of faith has borne to or about revelation. In other words,God is the content of the revelation, and Scripture tells us about and points toward that revelation, as, for example, the Gospels writers bear witness of the things they have seen and heard (Luke 1:1-4; cf. 7:22; Jn 21:24-25; cf. 3:32).

Scripture is revelatory only in the secondary or derivative sense that it is a witness and response to God’s revelation. The Bible contains not only reports about specific revelatory events such as the exodus or the incarnation (the technical term here is kergyma, “proclamation”), it also contains the communities’ response to those events, how the Communities of Faith worked out the implications of their encounters with God in doctrinal, social, ethical, and cultural ways (didache, “teaching”).

source-http://www.cresourcei.org/inerrant.html

If the Bible was written by fallible man about our infallible God we are in trouble.

How do we know that the parts about salvation are true?

How can we trust scripture?

The play here is that if the Bible was written by fallible man instead of the Holy Spirit we can pick and choose scripture and get it to read anyway we want it to.

Of course the Bible reveals itself as the Word of God, written by the infallible Holy Spirit through human writers.

In order to hold  that the Bible is the word of God, one must also hold that the Bible is inerrant–for such is the claim made throughout the Bible for itself. Numerous passages explicitly affirm inerrancy in all apostolic utterances, including both what to say and how to say it (Matt. 10:17-20Mk. 13:11Lk. 12:1221:12-15Jn. 14:16-17,2616:12-13;Acts 1:5,8). Jesus gave his stamp of approval to the entirety of the Old Testament, even down to the “jot and tittle” (Matt. 5:18).Passages like II Timothy 3:16Hebrews 1:1-2I Peter 1:10-11, and II Peter 1:21 attribute the utterances and writings found in both Old and New Testaments to God– though conveyed by human authors. When Jesus said “scripture cannot be broken” (Jn. 10:35), he was affirming Scripture’s indefectible nature in even its most casual phrases. The Bible makes no distinction between “moral” or “religious” truth on the one hand and “historical” or “scientific” truth on the other. Paul alluded to Adam and Eve as literal, historical persons (I Cor. 11:8-9I Tim. 2:13-14). Jesus treated Jonah in the great fish, the Flood, Adam and Eve, and Abel as historical fact (Matt. 12:4024:38-3919:4-5Luke 11:51).

Here is a great article by Gary Gilley on the Authority and Sufficiency of Scripture

The Authority and Sufficiency of Scripture Print E-mail
Written by Gary Gilley   
(August 2005 – Volume 11, Issue 8)    

Perhaps the most important issue facing the church today is the matter of authority. Who or what has the right, the authority, to determine what we believe and how we are to live? The answer to that question, not so very long ago, was quite uncomplicated—at least to evangelical Christians. The Word of God was the final authority over all areas of faith and practice. One of the battle cries of the Reformation was sola Scriptura—Scripture alone. This simply meant that the ultimate basis of authority and truth was Scripture. Scripture had the final say over all we believed and how we lived those beliefs. More than that, the Bible was seen as sufficient. That is, what the Word had to say was adequate to equip us for every good work (2 Timothy 3:17). No one claimed that Scripture exhausted every subject—or even addressed some (e.g., mathematics). But where it did not give direct teaching it gave principles by which we could examine and evaluate all things “pertaining to life and godliness” (2 Peter 1:3). That Scripture claims for itself such authority and sufficiency was widely accepted based upon numerous passages (e.g., John 17:17Mark 12:24Luke 11:2516:27-31Hebrews 4:12James 1:251 Peter 2:2Acts 20:20-32; Psalm 19, 119; 2 Timothy 3:15-172 Peter 1:3Matthew 5:17-2012:18-2726:52-54Luke 10:25-2616:17). But, for the most part, the evangelical church today does not believe this. The authority and sufficiency of God’s Word is being supplanted at every turn. However, before we observe the modern church, let’s back up and look at the recent past. What is transpiring today has a familiar ring to it. This has all happened before—and not that long ago.

EPISTEMOLOGY

The issue of authority largely deals with epistemology, that is, how we discover and determine truth. Without racing down philosophical rabbit trails of which there are many, the answer is that our knowledge of truth must come from a source. When reduced to “basic” possibilities the sources of truth are limited to three:

Humans

If one believes that humans are the final source of truth we are still left with the epistemological question of how we discover this truth. James Draper and Kenneth Keathley give this helpful overview:

The person holding to human reason (or rationalism) believes he is his own final authority. The question then is which method that individual will use in testing truth claims. The options available to him can be grouped under three headings: rationalism, empiricism, and mysticism. The rationalist believes he or she can determine what is true by reason alone, because of innate or natural abilities within the human mind. The empiricist places confidence in experimentation and in the observation of sense phenomena, affirming as true only that which can be physically demonstrated. Finally, there is the mystic, who rejects rationalism and empiricism because he recognizes that the individual is not capable of arriving at ultimate truth either by reason or observation. The mystic, however, believes that the individual does possess extrarational abilities that enable him to intuit truth. Truth, the mystic contends, cannot be known objectively; it can be encountered only subjectively. No matter which of the three approaches are employed by human reason, they all have this in common: They make the individual the final arbiter of truth.

Religion

Within the Christian tradition this is best represented by the Roman Church. According to Catholic theology, it is the Church that has given us the Bible and, therefore, final authority rests with the Church. The Roman Church would technically not claim to hold views contrary to Scripture, but it is the Church which interprets Scripture and is free to add to it. Therefore, any apparent contradiction, say for example praying to Mary or the saints, is resolved by Rome’s claim to authority.

Revelation

If God exists, it is not difficult to believe that He has communicated to mankind. The Bible claims to be that revelation. Conservative Christians throughout the ages, and especially since the Reformation, have recognized the exclusive claim of Scripture to be the complete and final Word of God for this age. This is not to say that there have not been many usurpers to this claim.

Yesterday and Today

One of the great challenges faced by Christians in the not too distant past drew from a number of sources: German rationalism, higher criticism, enlightenment thought, etc., ultimately evolving into what we call Christian liberalism today. The father of liberalism is usually recognized as Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768-1834), professor of theology at the University of Berlin. Joining many popular philosophical systems with Christianity, Schleiermacher came to distrust any form of authority. But he did not want to reject Christianity, recognizing that mankind needs religion. He reasoned that propositional revelation about God may be faulty or even nonexistent but, since man needs religious experience, the outer shell of Christianity must be retained. The Bible may be untrustworthy, shot through with error, unreliable for developing a living framework, but it is still possible to experience God through religious expressions. The foundation may be gone, but somehow the walls are still standing. Such people are convinced that they encounter God as they connect with the “divine spark” found in every human, or through mystical practices, or through subjective experiences. They are unconcerned with the authority of Scripture—to them the Bible is riddled with errors, but that does not matter as long as they can have an existential relationship with God—or at least, so they think. William James, certainly no evangelical Christian, made an astute observation over one hundred years ago about the encroachment of liberal thought within Christianity:

The advance of liberalism, so-called, in Christianity, during the past fifty years, may fairly be called a victory of healthy-mindedness within the church over the morbidness with which the old hell-fire theology was more harmoniously related. We have now whole congregations whose preachers, far from magnifying our consciousness of sin, seem devoted rather to making little of it. They ignore, or even deny, eternal punishment, and insist on the dignity rather than on the depravity of man. They look at the continual preoccupation of the old-fashioned Christian with the salvation of his soul as something sickly and reprehensible rather than admirable; and a sanguine and ‘muscular’ attitude, which to our forefathers would have seemed purely heathen, has become in their eyes an ideal element of Christian character. I am not asking whether or not they are right, I am only pointing out the change.

James’ assessment has a modern ring to it. Old liberalism has been waning in the last few decades, but certainly has not gone away. Rather, it has combined with other errant theological threads and morphed into a number of forms. Take for example the recent comments syndicated columnist and liberal Episcopal priest, Tom Ehrich, wrote:

Picture a prosperous suburban congregation, set among big houses and private schools, populated by professionals and young families, once known for its intellectual vitality, now caught up in stick-to-the-Bible orthodoxy…. Preaching there, says a member, rarely strays from a word-by-word explication of assigned texts. Adult education classes tend to be “led by people who regard the Bible as ‘inerrant’ and allow no questioning. We never hear an open, honest exploration of what it means to live as a Christian in today’s world.”… Clearly, some sort of retreat is under way. Like all retreats, it claims the moral high ground. But what I see in the “land of the free and home of the brave” is dogmatic conformity (fear of freedom) and intolerance (fear of the other)…. What concerns me is the emergence of a religious leadership cadre who don’t hesitate to turn fearfulness into rage, hatred and scapegoating. They, of all people, should know better. They should know that the answer to fear is faith, not hatred. They should know that Jesus didn’t name enemies, launch moral crusades or wage culture wars. He didn’t exercise thought-control with his disciples. He didn’t insist on one way of thinking or believing, He wasn’t legalistic or rigid or conformist (emphasis mine).

This sounds like the rantings of old-fashioned liberalism—but wait! Many within evangelicalism are echoing the same tune. Taking a stand for the truth is long since out of vogue. John MacArthur makes the point, “It is no longer deemed necessary to fight for the truth. In fact, many evangelicals now consider it ill-mannered and uncharitable to argue about any point of doctrine.”

Liberalism has joined forces with postmodernism to challenge the teachings of the Bible. Meanwhile, many in evangelicalism are sitting on the sidelines wanting to be tolerant and attempting to bully and intimidate any who advocate discernment. It is little wonder then that a new wave of liberalism is sweeping over Christianity. The seeker-sensitive church has been seen by many as just old liberalism in disguise, but that is not altogether true. The seeker-sensitive church has fudged on many biblical truths,but it still embraces most of the cardinal doctrines and still seeks to proclaim the gospel, even if its message is often out of balance with the New Testament. But the seeker-sensitive church has given birth to a new movement being called the emergent church. The emergent church is taking to logical conclusion what the seeker-sensitive church began. All dressed up in post-modern religious garb the emergent church is rapidly rejecting and undermining almost all biblical theology. In other words the emergent church is the new liberalism. Evangelicalism is reaping what it has sown.

But what about all the spiritual interest that is evident. Christian books and music top the charts. Megachurches are bursting at the seams. Some are proclaiming that we may be in the midst of the greatest revival since Pentecost. In response, I agree with a Gallup poll evaluation from a few years ago. “We are having a revival of feelings, but not of the knowledge of God. The church today is more guided by feeling than by convictions. We value enthusiasm more than informed commitment.”

If this is true why are so few noticing it? Let me make a few suggestions:

  1. Because the marketers of this approach to Christianity have become adept at giving people what they want. Michael Horton writes, “Throughout the prophetic literature, we notice a common theme—the false prophets tell the people what they want to hear, baptize it with God’s name, and serve it up as God’s latest word to His people.”
  2. Because the centrality of the Word of God has been subtly replaced with inferior but pleasing substitutes. Systematic preaching and teaching of the Bible has been displaced in many churches with entertainment, drama, concerts, comic acts, and the like. For a number of decades psychological theory has been usurping the authority of Scripture. The purpose of many churches is no longer salvation and sanctification, but therapy. And, increasingly, mysticism and extrabiblical revelations are superseding the Bible.
  3. Because so many within evangelicalism are drifting with the tide of worldly thought and opinion. Pascal said, “When everything is moving at once, nothing appears to be moving, as on board ship. When everyone is moving towards depravity, no one seems to be moving, but if someone stops, he shows up the others who are rushing on by acting as a fixed point.”Commenting on this statement Douglas Groothuis wrote, “The fixed point in a shifting world is biblical truth and all that agrees with it.”Preceding Pascal’s quote Groothuis had this to say, “We are told that Christians must shift their emphasis from objective truth to communal experience, from rational argument to subjective appeal, from doctrinal orthodoxy to relevant practices. I have reasoned…that this move is nothing less than fatal to Christian integrity and biblical witness. It is also illogical philosophically. We have something far better to offer.”

Peter informs us, “His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness” (2 Peter 1:3a). How is this life and godliness found? “Through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence” (1:3b). And where is the knowledge of Christ found? In the precious Word of God. No wonder Peter encouraged us to be “like newborn babes, [who] long for the pure milk of the Word, that by it you may grow in respect to salvation” (1 Peter 2:2). Why feed at the trough of worldly wisdom or mystical experience when we have the final, complete, infallible revelation from God that is able to “make us wise unto salvation” (2 Timothy 3:15), “and equip us for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:17)? I agree with Groothuis, we Bible-believing Christians do have something better to offer.

 


James T. Draper Jr. & Kenneth Keathley, Biblical Authority (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 2001) pp. 2-3.    

William James, The Varieties of Religious Experiences (New York: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1922) p. 91.

Tom Ehrich, “Fear-based Faith Helps No One,” (Springfield, IL: The State Journal Register, May 22, 2005) p. 15.

John MacArthur, Why One Way? (Word Publishing Group, 2002) pp. 47-48.

See my book, This Little Church Went to Market.

J. P. Moreland, Love Your God with All Your Mind (Colorado Springs: NavPress, 1997) p. 19.

Don Kistler, General Editor, Sola Scriptura! Michael Horton, Forward (Soli Deo Gloria Publications, 2000) P. XV.

Quoted by Douglas Groothuis, Truth Decay (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000) p. 265.

Ibid.

Ibid.

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Update on radio interview and DVD

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 17, 2009

There will be a radio interview of concerned Nazarene’s with Eric Barger on April 20,21,22 on Southwest Radio.

I am also reviewing rough cuts of the DVD featuring Nazarene Elder and Evangelists Bev Turner. As well as Gary Gilley, Johanna Michalesen, and Sandy Simpson.

All interviewed by John Loffler.

It is better than I could have imagined and this information will be given out in a very short time once editing and final cut is completed.

This will be available free of charge.

The first DVD will be a compilation of all the speakers and the full interviews will also be available to those seeking more information.

Special thanks to John Loffler who did a great job interviewing as well as Buck Storm, Tom and the rest of the team at Candlelight Fellowship for the fine job on filming they did.

Keep us is prayer as we edit through hours of tape.

The DVD will be a biblically solid source of information on the Emergent Church and the new spirituality that has crept unaware into the Nazarene denomination and the rest of the Body of Christ.

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Nazarene General Assembly Welcomes Contemplative Spirituality

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 17, 2009

Great new article from my brother and sisters in the Lord at Lighthouse Trails-

Nazarene General Assembly Welcomes Contemplative Spirituality–Nazarene Pastors WorldWide Invited 

 

Category: * Contemplative 
  
Source:  Editors at Lighthouse Trails 

Contemplative spirituality has been coming into the Nazarene denomination for some time through their seminaries and universities. But this summer, the mystical-based spirituality will be taking a giant step into the Nazarene Church at large. The Nazarene Theological Seminary will be presenting a contemplative retreat to pastors and leaders from around the world who will be attending the 2009 General Assembly & Conventions in June. 

The conference, which will take place in Orlando, Florida, is open to pastors, leaders, and lay people within the Nazarene Church. A staff member in the Nazarene General Assembly conference office told Lighthouse Trails on March 16th that they are expecting from 15,000 to 25,000 attendees from around the world, some of whom will be non-Nazarenes as all are welcome.

The General Assembly Spiritual Formation Retreat will be held at San Pedro Center, a Franciscan retreat center the day before the opening session of the General Assembly conference. And while concerns over having a Nazarene retreat at a Catholic contemplative location should stir concern, this report is focusing on one of the six people who will be leading the retreat, Dr. Alden Sproull. Sproull is founder and director of the Kairos Center for Spiritual Formation based in Redlands, California.

Dr. Alden SproullAccording to his website* (see below), Alden Sproull has “worked in Contemplative Spiritual Practices for 30 years.” The Kairos Center is “a unique center for spirituality.” The website also states:

Kairos is not a religion, but people from a variety of traditionsbenefit from the spiritual programs at Kairos that are not available at traditional religious institutions.

Under “Spiritual Practices,” on Sproull’s website, he states: “We need to open ourselves to the presence of God through regular spiritual practices. In stillness we can feel unity with God.” Sproull says that examples of these spiritual practices can be found on the “Center for Contemplative Mind in Society” website, which he links to from his site. An extensive “tree” of mystical practices are listed, some of which include: centering prayer, yoga, labyrinth walking, contemplative prayer, building altars, the Jesus Prayer, lectio divina, mantra meditation, visualization, and chanting. This site has a lengthy list of Recommended Reading, too many to list in this report. A few of the titles will illustrate the nature of the site: Breakfast with BuddhaPure Heart, Enlightened Mind: The Life and Letters of an Irish Zen SaintThe Asian Journal of Thomas MertonLighting the Lamp of Wisdom: A Week inside a Yoga Ashram, and Waking Up: A Week inside a Zen Monastery.

Alden Sproull would not link to this site, if he did not agree with its overall message, and what Nazarene’s may fail to understand is the underlying interfaith, interspiritual connections that are brought out clearly in his linking to that site. 

While Nazarene universities and seminaries have been embracing contemplative spirituality for a long time, many of the denomination’s pastors and church members may not have yet been introduced to contemplative. But with the upcoming contemplative retreat, that may all change. Clearly, a message is being sent to Nazarenes worldwide that says, “Contemplative is a worthwhile spirituality that should be welcomed.” As Lighthouse Trails has tried to show through articles and books, contemplative prayer is a route to mystical interspirituality, which in its very nature denies the Cross and the Gospel message. We believe the apostle Paul’s admonition in II Thessalonians 2 relates to the growing interest and adherence to contemplative spirituality within the walls of Christianity: “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [Christ's return] shall not come, except there come a falling away first.”

* Alden Sproull’s website, Kairos Center for Spiritual Formation is often offline and cannot be readily accessed. This link, however, will show a cached file of the site.

Related Articles:

Trevecca Nazarene University Promoting Contemplative Spirituality in No Small Way

Nazarene Superintendent Praises “A Time of Departing” But Denomination’s Schools Sinking into Contemplative 

Nazarene Universities Welcome Brian McLaren

Contemplative Spirituality and the Emerging Church Come to Kansas Through YouthFront and MNU

Ambrose University (CMA & Nazarene) Full Speed into Contemplative/Emergent

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Problems I have with Jon Middendorfs teaching

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 10, 2009

Now I know that the folks who currently follow Jon Middendorf will probably not have a problem with Jons teaching here.

I think that Jon comes from a very liberal unbiblical point of view as shown in the podcast.

Jon is certainly not on the same page as me.

This podcast really speaks for itself on where Jon’s head is at.

You will need to search the scriptures for yourselves though and make up your own mind if what Jon has been teaching is true.

I have certainly taken to task Jons friendship and fellowship with Greg Horton.

I really detest the way Middendorf takes the joking so lightly and laughs along with Greg’s comments but that’s just my opinion.

By the way the comments I have heard from those quoting me scripture’s on where Jesus hung out with sinners is a straw man argument.

There is no biblical proof that the Lord tolerated mocking His Word among people he hung out with.

And many scriptures show that Jesus often rebuked the teachers of the law.

We are all sinner’s I realize that. Romans 3:23

Greg Horton is a teacher.

I hope people can see why this is a straw man argument to enable Jons unscriptural fellowship.

This is again why I believe Jon has little to no discernment.

You will need to make up your own mind about these two and what they together are teaching.

This is a little dated but still applies here.

http://www.podfeed.net/episode/emergent+and+Scripture/581801

Check out  both “Emergent and scripture”  and “The World is flat” to get a better idea of where Jon Middendorf is coming from.

I will be wrapping up my series on “Is The Nazarene denomination on the road to Rome” later this week.

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Part 7

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 8, 2009

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DO CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS AGREE ON DOCTRINE Part4,5,6

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 8, 2009

For those of us fighting the good fight  we really need to listen to this.

As well as those who are defending false teaching

 

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Do Catholics and Protestants Agree on Doctrine Part 1,Part 2,Part 3

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 7, 2009

This is a bit dated but still is relevant here. D James Kennedy has since went on to be with the Lord

 

 

 

More to come

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John MacArthur and The Truth War

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 5, 2009

Im not a Calvinist and disagree with John on some issues. But I believe John has a lot of good things to say when he speaks about the truth and Gods Word.

 

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