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Church of the Nazarene’s Creation Care document

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on May 15, 2010

Subject: Church of the Nazarene’s Creation Care document

(I am sending this to several persons)

Hi all,

My wife and I moved from Virginia to Tennessee in the summer of 2006. We have attended the Church of the Nazarene for almost 2 1/2 years and been members for about 2 years. I first learned of the emerging church movement about 2 years ago from a friend in Virginia. Since then I have been paying attention to it, and in the last few months have been spending time almost every day researching and learning more than I want to know about it. I thank each of you for your courage and diligence in exposing this repackaged postmodern liberalism or perhaps a better way of saying it is “another gospel”, a false and deceptive gospel. The Church of the Nazarene desperately needs more who will “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”.

I have spent some time on the international website of the Church of the Nazarene digging about, and have already found several things that deeply concern me. A few months ago I came across something in the Compassionate Ministries section ( called “the Church of the Nazarene’s official statement on creation care”, which is a 62 page PDF document entitled Creation Care – Environmental Stewardship for the Church of the Nazarene ( You may already be familiar with it, but if not I strongly recommend you take the time to read it. Many things in the document are very disturbing, but this statement on page 59 takes the cake: “In this most critical moment in Earth’s history, we are convinced that the central moral imperative of our time is the care for Earth as God’s creation.” I thought the central moral imperative of our time was to reach the lost for Christ and to make disciples of them.

I think this document needs to be brought to light before the faithful and Bible-believing members of the Church of the Nazarene. This article on Earth Day, radical environmentalism, and the worship of Gaia (Mother Earth), also needs to be read by many, as it too is very enlightening:

Again thanks to all for their hard work. In the process you make many enemies, but you also make new friends, better friends.

In Christ,
Mike Yonce


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Is It Right?

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on May 13, 2010

Many today believe that it is wrong to expose error and to name names. Liberals have always seemed to believe this, but in recent times it has been widely espoused by evangelicals and charismatics. Those who are faithful in exposing error according to the Bible are now being widely denounced, and are accused of being unloving and unkind. In this tract we intend to present the teaching of the Bible on this vital subject.

I. It Is Right To Practice Biblical Judgment
One of the most misused verses in the Bible is, “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matt. 7: 1). Every Scripture verse should be read in its context, if we are to properly understand the true meaning. In vs. 2-5 of this same chapter it is evident that v. 1 is referring to hypocritical judgment. A brother who has a beam in his own eye should not be judging the brother who may have a mote in his eye. The lesson is plain, you cannot judge another for his sin if you are guilty of the same sin.

Those who cling to “Judge not, that ye be not judged, ” to condemn those who expose error should read the entire chapter. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing… ” (v. 15). How can we know false prophets unless we judge them by the Word of God? If we know the false prophets, how can we fail to exam the sheep of these “ravening wolves?” All through the Bible we find proof that they should be identified and exposed.

“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit” (vs. 16,17). Did the Lord mean that we could not judge the tree (person), by the fruit of their life and doctrine? Certainly not, for you cannot know without judging. All judgment should be on the basis of Bible teaching, not according to whims or prejudices.

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment ” (John 7:24). Here our Lord commands that we are to “judge righteous judgment, ” which is judgment based upon the Word of God. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt. 7: 1. Webster’s Dictionary says that a judge is “one who declares the law. ” The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God’s inspired law, the Bible.

A fornicator is described in I Cor. 5:1-13. Paul “judged” (v.3) the man even though he was absent, and he told the Church at Corinth that they were to “judge” (v. 12) those that were within. The Greek word for “judge” is the same here as in Matt. 7: 1. Paul did not violate “judge not, that ye be not judged, ” in judging the man, nor in instructing the Church to judge also. All of this judgment was according to the Word of God.

A person who is able to discern between good and evil, has at least one of the major marks of spiritual maturity. “But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Heb. 5:14). W.E. Vine says of the meaning of discern, “a distinguishing, a clear discrimination, discerning, judging; is translated ‘discerning’ in I Cor. 12: 10 of discerning spirits, judging by evidence whether they are evil or of God. ” Strong also agrees that it means to judge.

Those who are unwilling or incapable of discerning or judging between good and evil are in this manner revealing either their disobedience or their immaturity.

II. It Is Right To Expose False Teachers
False teachers are free to spread their poisonous doctrines today because there is a conspiracy of silence among many Bible believers. Wolves in sheep’s clothing are thus enabled to ravage the flock, thereby destroying many.

John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of his day) “a generation of Vipers” (snakes) (Matt. 3:7). Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, and unchristian.

Jesus said to the religious Pharisees, “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matt. 12:34). To many evangelicals and some fundamentalists, this would be unacceptable language today, but it is biblical language and it came from the mouth of the Son of God.

Standing face to face with these false teachers, Jesus Christ the Son of God, called them “hypocrites”, “blind guides, ” “blind, ” “whited sepulchres, ” “serpents, ” and “ye generation of vipers” (Matt. 23:23-34). Yet, we are told today that we are to fellowship with men whose doctrines are just as unscriptural as those of the Pharisees. Some who say they are Bible believing Christians insist on working with Roman Catholics and other assorted heretics. Yet, according to many, we are not supposed to rebuke them for their compromise.

Near the beginning of His ministry, “Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence, make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise” (John 2:13-16). Our Saviour is presented today as one who was meek, lowly, kind, and loving, even to false teachers, but this is entirely false. When dealing with false teachers and prophets, His words were sharp and His actions plain.

Near the end of His public ministry, Christ found it necessary to cleanse the temple once again. The exposure of false doctrines and practices is a never ending job. At that time He said, “Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves” (Mark I 1: 17). Is it any different today? The thieves come into the house of God, and rob God’s people of the Bible and peddle their perverted Bibles instead. At the same time this den of thieves rob the people off the doctrine of separation and the doctrine of sanctification. Then you can hardly tell God’s people from the people of the world. In all honesty, should not these thieves (false teachers) be exposed?

In our day these false teachers have come into the churches with their books, music, literature, movies, psychology, and seminars, and have turned the Father’s house into a den of thieves. It is time that men of God stand up and expose their errors for all to see.

The Bible Admonishes Us To Expose Error
We are to TRY them. “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (I John 4: 1). All doctrine and teachers are to be tried according to the Word of God. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isa. 8:20). Every message, messenger, and method is to be judged according to the Word of God. The church at Ephesus was commended because they had “tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars ” (Rev. 2:2). The church at Pergamos was rebuked because they tolerated those that held “the doctrine of Balaam, ” and “the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate” (Rev. 2:14,15). It is never right to tolerate false teachers, but they are to be tried by the Word of God, and exposed. Of course those who want to disobey the Word of God will seek by every means to avoid this teaching.

We are to MARK them and AVOID them. “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them ” (Rom. 16:17). Those whose conduct and teaching contradicts the Word of God are to be marked and to be avoided. This requires discernment and judgment in the light of the Bible. The ecumenicalists, new evangelicals, and compromising fundamentalists will resist any effort to obey this Scripture. They cannot be marked and avoided, unless they are judged according to the Word of God.

We are to REBUKE them. “Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith ” (Titus 1: 13). This was written to Titus, because there were those going from house to house and subverting whole houses with false doctrine (v. 10-16). People like Rob Bell, Brian Mclaren, Len Sweet and others are subverting whole houses with their false doctrine today. Are we to sit silently by, while they do this, without rebuking and admonishing people to avoid their teaching? No, the faithful servant of the Lord is to be “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers ” (Titus 1:9).

We are to have NO FELLOWSHIP with them. “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them ” (Eph. 5:11). Reprove means to censure, condemn, find fault, rebuke, and to refute. How can we obey this Scripture unless we try them by the Word of God?

We are to WITHDRAW from them. “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which ye received of us ” (II Thess. 3:6). We are to withdraw from those whose doctrine and conduct does not conform to the Word of God.Biblical seperation among those even who are brothers in Christ is biblical and must be followed when the brother is promoting false teachers. The scripture is very plain about this. The context clearly shows that obedience to sound doctrine is what Paul has in mind, for he says, “if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet, count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother” (II Thess. 3:14-15). Paul admonished Timothy to “withdraw thyself ” from those who “consent not to wholesome words … and to the doctrine which is according to godliness ” (I Tim. 6:3-5).

We are to TURN AWAY from them. Concerning the last days, he says that some will have “a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. from such turn away” for such people are “never able to come to the knowledge of the truth” (11 Tim. 3:5,7). How can we turn away from them if we do not identify them, and this requires that their message be compared to the Word of God. It is the business of the true preacher to: “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine ” (II Tim. 4:2). This is usually an unpopular and thankless task but it is the duty of the God-called man.

We are NOT to RECEIVE them into our house. “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds ” (11 John 10, I 1). There is no doubt about who John is speaking about, it is ” Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ… ” (v.9). By radio, TV, music and literature, false prophets are brought into the homes of many Christians today. Brethren, this ought not to be!

We are to REJECT HERETICS. “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject ” (Titus 3: 10). We should reject those who deny redemption by the blood of Christ. There are many who deny this or some other doctrine of the Word of God. If they will not respond to being admonished, then they are to be rejected.

We are to look out for those who preach another gospel. Paul warned about those who preached “another Jesus … another spirit … or another gospel” (II Cor. 11:4). How can we know them unless we judge their Jesus, their spirit, and their gospel by the Word of God? Paul called such preachers “false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ” (11 Cor. II: 13). He explains in v. 14-15 that these preachers are the ministers of Satan. The God-called man must be just as faithful today in exposing the ministers of Satan.

Paul warned the Galatians about those who “pervert the gospel of Christ.” He also said, “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (See Gal. 1:6-9). Multitudes today are preaching a perverted gospel. Those who teach salvation by baptism, or by works, are teaching a perverted gospel. Those who preach a salvation that you can lose, are preaching a perverted gospel. The charismatics, Catholics, many evangelicals, and many fundamentalists (?) are preaching a perverted gospel. Yet, we are supposed to cooperate with them in evangelism and Christian work, according to many today. If we fail to expose these false prophets, then we have betrayed Christ and His gospel.

We are to SEPARATE from them. “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch no the unclean thing; and I will receive you ” (II Cor. 6:17). This makes it plain. God’s people are to come out of apostasy and religious error. How can any Bible believer remain in the National Council or World Council of Churches? How can they remain among compromising evangelicals and wishy-washy fundamentalists?

III. It Is Right To Name Names
Many mistakenly believe that it is wrong to expose error and to name the guilty teachers; but they are wrong according to the Bible.

Paul named Peter publicly. Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice. “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed … But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” (Gal. 2:11-14). The whole issue revolved around salvation by the law or by grace. When the integrity and purity of the gospel is at stake, then we have no choice when it comes to the matter of exposing error and naming names.

Paul named Demas for loving the world. “For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world” (II Tim. 4:10). Those who forsake the cause of Christ for worldly living and pleasures should be named and exposed.

Paul named Hymenaeus and Alexander. Paul told Timothy to “war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some have put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme ” (I Tim. 1: 18-20). God’s true servants should war a good warfare, and name those who have departed from the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Paul is not here discussing the faith of salvation but the faith as a system of doctrine. These men had made shipwreck of it and Paul exposed them and called their names.

Paul named Hymenaeus and Philetus. He told Timothy to “study” that he might be able to “rightly” divide “the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth as canker. of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some ” (11 Tim. 2:15-18). False doctrine overthrows the faith of some, so those who are proclaiming it must be exposed.

Paul named Alexander the coppersmith. “Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil. the Lord reward him “cording to his works: Of whom be thou ware also, for he hath greatly withstood our words ” (II Tim. 4:14-15). It is clear that this is not a personality problem, but a doctrinal problem. Alexander had withstood the words and doctrine of Paul. He was an enemy to the truth. Godly pastors face the same problem every day. They stand and proclaim the truth, then their members go home and hear this truth disputed by radio and TV preachers. Often times these false prophets are sending their publications into the homes of members of true churches. Then the man of God is suppose to keep his mouth shut, according to many. Only a coward will be silent when the truth of the Bible is under attack.

John named Diotrephes. “I wrote unto the church; but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not” (III John 9). He related how this man had prated against him “with malicious words ” (v. 10). He further said, “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God, but he that doeth evil hath not seen God ” (v. I 1). It is not wrong to name those whose doctrine and practice is contrary to the Word of God.

In fact, the whole Bible abounds in examples of false prophets being named and exposed. All this modem day talk about love, used as an excuse for not exposing error, is not really biblical love but is really sloppy agape.

Moses called the name of Balaam. (See Num. 22-25). Peter exposed “the way of Balaam … who loved the wages of unrighteousness ” (II Pet. 2:15). Balaam was a prophet that was in the work for money, just like some of the TV false prophets today. They beg for money and live like kings, while multitudes of innocent people send them their hard earned money. They are always building colleges, hospitals, TV network satellites, and amusement parks that have a water slide for Jesus. And then we are suppose to keep our mouth shut about these religious charlatans. How can we be silent and be true to God?

Jude exposed “the error of Balaam ” (Jude I 1). John exposed “the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication ” (Rev. 2:14). This gets right to the heart of the matter, concerning the doctrine of separation. Balaam never did curse Israel even though he wanted the wages that he was offered to do so. The men of Israel committed “whoredom with the daughters of Moab … and bowed down to their gods ” (Num. 25:1,2). Why did they do this? Because Balaam taught Balac how to break down the barrier of separation between the Moabites and the Israelites. We know this to be so because it is plainly stated in Rev. 2:14 and Num. 31:16. This sin resulted in 24,000 men of Israel dying under the judgment of God. (Another good example of Christian Rock)

False teachers are breaking down the barrier of separation between God’s people and false religion. There is too little preaching and teaching on the doctrine of separation. Balaam breached the doctrine of personal separation by causing the men of Israel to commit fornication with the Moabite women. He breached the doctrine of ecclesiastical separation by causing the men of Israel to bow down to Baal. This brought a curse upon Israel. Until we get back to teaching the truth about personal and ecclesiastical separation, we can expect the continued widespread havoc that we have today.

It seems to be believed by many that some people are too high and mighty to be named or exposed. Men in high places, pastors of large churches, and those with great radio or TV audiences, are supposedly above criticism. Whatever they may do or say, no matter how contrary to the Bible it may be, is supposedly all right. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nathan identified the man. There was a man in a very high place who was a secret adulterer. Surely this man who held the highest office in the land could not be rebuked by a lowly unpopular prophet. Nathan went right into the presence of David, revealed the sin in a parable form, and then told the enraged David, “Thou art the man ” (II Sam. 12:7).

Hanani named king Jehoshaphat. In many ways Jehoshaphat was a good king, but he mistakenly forgot to practice religious separation. He caused his son to marry wicked king Ahab’s daughter. (See II Chron. 18: 1; 21:1-6). He made an alliance with Ahab and went to the battle of Ramoth-gilead with him (II Chron. 18). Hanani “said to King Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? ” (II Chron. 19:2). We have a question for those, “Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord?”

Yes, it is right to expose error and to name those who are in error. It is right to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3). It was once delivered and it has never been recalled for revision. We had better beware of “false teachers … who privily shall bring in damnable heresies ” (II Pet. 2: 1). Faithful messengers will warn the sheep of these heretics, and identify them by name. It is not enough to broadly hint of their identity, for the young lambs will not understand and will be destroyed by the wolves.

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Choices-Setting The Record Straight With The Recent Naz Net Rukus

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on May 13, 2010

Sorry about the long title somethings need to be said here though.
Usually I do not like to address Naz Net stuff here on my blog because its a waste of time.
Even though there are some good and decent people and Christians who comment on Naz Net there comes a time when the truth really needs to come to the top of all the shouting and yelling.
Most people who would actively participate in Naz Net would probably not want to read my blog.
And I appreciate that people have the right to choose what they want to read and information they want to hold on to.
The last point is that Naz Net has banned me from posting (also totally within their rights) so I will need to set the record straight here.
I have been blessed for over the last couple years to be able to be a missionary to the Nazarene denomination a task I willingly took because of some of the wonderful holiness preaching that has been present within the Nazarene denomination.
There are many wonderful good God fearing, Bible believing Christians within the Nazarene denomination.
My task has always been to help expose false teaching and encourage people back toward Gods Holy Word that is captured in scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit and written without error by the various writers of scripture.
The main purpose of Naz Net (in my opinion and observation) seems to be a breading ground for false teaching, explaining awat scripture and a platform to further a liberal and Emergent agenda (meaning the Emergent Church and what it stands for).
Therefore you now have choices.
Which I think is a good thing because it often seperates the sheep from the goats.
There has been a thread recently titled Reformed Nazarenes that has put into question, myself, my dear brother in the Lord Manny Silva as well as the Concerned Nazaarene group.
I would like to thank Naz Net for all the hits to our websites.
It gives people choices.
I would like to clear up a few things though.
I really hesitate talking about him because it gives him press but I need to because he is again just not telling the truth about our group.
I am addressing Bob Hunter.
I have came to think of Bob as almost a cartoon character because as much as he brays some people dont seem to see the inconsistances and the untruths this guy spreads.
Bob’s videos were so outrageous using very little scripture (until I called him out on that one) I actually posted one of his videos side by side with a Concerned Nazarene video on my own blog.
Sometimes its just best to let Bob keep talking.
Again allowing choices.
Keep in mind Bob has stated “I guess that means I traded the car in. I was feeling like it was broke down and I couldn’t be a part of fixing it. To take the analogy further, I know that some are equipped to fix it and should stay behind the wheel…or under the hood. I wanted to stress that not everyone should trade the old beater in like I did, the COTN needs people who can do repair and restore work. I just didn’t feel like I was to be one of them.” end of quote.
So I guess Bob was not satisfied with the fine holiness tradition of the Nazarene denomination and decided that it was in need of change.
At least thats what I get from Bob’s comments.
Bob however no longer attends a Nazarene church but chooses to comment from the outside looking in.
Even though he claims he is still a ordained Nazarene elder.
Thats fine everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But why dont the folks on Naz Net call Bob out on his own lies posted on their website.
Bob stated on Naz Net”And may I remind you all that not unlike myself…these guys are NOT presently in the Nazarene Church! They have left on their own, been asked to leave or never belonged to the CotN in the first place.”
Then Bob stated again on Naz Net “Need I remind you that the key Concerned Nazarene figures are no longer attending Nazarene Churches, they have left, are leaving or never were Nazarenes in the first place!”
Jim Chabot then corrected Bob and stated “You have said this twice now, and you may be correct in most instances I do not know. Manny Silva attends the International Church of the Nazarene in New Bedford, MA, he is comfortable with the teaching here, I personally haven’t heard him object to anything at our church.”
Even after being corrected Bob this minister of misinformation stated
“This group doesn’t even attend a Nazarene Church!” end of quotes
Ok so the one of the actual problems I have with Naz net is that truth and accuracy in statements dont seem to matter to the moderators as long as it forwards their agenda. At least thats my opinion.
Two of the main leaders of the Concerned Nazarene group still attend a Nazarene Church. Both Manny and Bev Turner (a ordained Nazararene elder and evangelist) bith still attend Nazarene churches plus many of the Concerned Nazarene group still attend Nazarene churches. The main reason people are dropping out is because their is no firm word on where the denomination stands on the Emergent heresy that has infiltrated its ranks.
Again you have choices.
Follow the word of this inflated cartoon character who stuggles with telling the truth.
Or believe the actual facts.
Again more choices.
Now I also want to address some staements James Diggs has stated on Naz Net and other places.
James on Naz Net stated “I made some headway with Tim Wirth who finally said that he would accept me as a real Christian and a brother in the Lord, but he has so far not wanted to build on that.”
James also stated “Your good friend Tim Wirth recently retracted his belief that I wasn’t a Christian and now says he accepts me as such.’
Well lets clear this up.( And I also want to say I dont hate anyone not James not Bob but I do not like their actions)
Plus I really pray that James confess’s and rejects the false teachers he has promoted.
Anyway what I actually said to James was this “Yea James if you truly believe as you stated we are brothers in the Lord like it or not : )
That being stated I am estranged from other family members who promote and endorse false teachers.
Even though if you believe as you have stated we are brothers I still stand against much of what you promote and would ask you for Christ’s sake to reject the false Emergent teachers and teach from the scripture.”
I think that James has took some liberties with my statement as well as added some spin of his own.
My statements were contingent that James really believed what he stated and is a saved Christian.
If James is a saved Christian we are brothers, we however are estranged because to the best of my knowledge James has not openly rejected any of the false teachers he has promoted or exposed people and his congregation to.
As far as Manny not addressing Benjamin Burch and his quotes from scripture I would have to say this.
I personally have read many of Benjamins quotes and attempts to explain away scripture on Naz Net.
Why waste time with someone who has shown he cant rightly divide the Word of God?
What would be the point?
Again more choices.
Dont have the time and space to even deal with Dennis Bratcher at this time. If you want to believe Dennis’s spin on scripture and history-well good luck with that one.
Again more choice’s.
As for Dan Boone here are some of Dan Boones quotes from our website-“In an interesting way, we are doing what the Old Testament saints did in moving into Canaan – taking their Canaanite forms and terms and using them in a God-honoring way.”
And another quote“The Hebrew creation account is a re-telling of the Babylonian tale. Their Hebrew feast days are re-interpretations of the Canaanite days. The Royal Psalms in the collection of Psalms were once Canaanite songs.” End of quote.
Wow is all I’ve got to say on that one.
My comments are stated publically and they are.
When can we copy any pagan form and use it in a God honoring way?

Where does the scriptures allow that?

It does not.

Instead here is what God’s Word states:

Deut 18:9-12
9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.”
Let’s get this straight. God’s Word says that you are not to follow or imitate pagan practices. end quote.
Also I think its a very dangerous place to be to equate the inspiration of the Holy Spirit with demonic inspired influences of a pagan religion.
This has been a long post so lets wrap it up with another Naz Net quote from Hans.
“I think there’s a slight mistake going on here: it’s not you or me who gets to decide what false teaching is, it’s the General Assembly that does that for the Church of the Nazarene. We don’t have popes, you know. And if we need interpretation, we have six guys to do that together, until the GA decides otherwise.”end quote
Wow again.
That statement of course has no basis or root in scripture but is based on man.
You may not have a pope but you may have six if what Hans states is acurate.
Its not up to individuals to decide what false teaching is according to scriptural mandates.
But rather a man or men?
More choices.
What about the individual priesthood of all saved believers as stated in 1 Peter 2:9 “But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.” (see also Heb 10:19-20).
In conclusion as I have said many times there are always choices.
I dont force anyone to read my blog.
I dont have your pet puppy captured forcing you to come outside of your own willingness to see what I have written.
Plus if what we post and write does not add up to scripture I do heartily encourage you to reject it.
If you want to accept the warning we have put out you have that choice.
I would always encourage you to seek your ultimate authority withing the pages of Gods infallable and unchanging Word.
Keep in mind scripture states
2 Thessalonians 2:3a (New King James Version)

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first
Also Eph 5:11-14
Sincerely in Christ

PS To any of you who would object to me refering to myself as a missionary to the Nazarene denomination I would state you have two other missionaries that were sent to you-namely Brian McLaren and Len Sweet.
You need to decide who was sent by God and who has been sent by satan.
Again more choices…
PPS-Naz Net Moderators I have proved that Bob Hunter did not tell the truth concerning CN leadership and its Nazarene Church attendence. No call for Bob to retract and repent of his untrue statements.
Ahh more choices

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Who Is A Concerned Nazarene or Christian? By Manny Silva

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on May 11, 2010

Good article by my friend and brother in the Lord Manny Silva
Many people who support the emergent church movement seem to be concerned (no pun intended) about numbers, regarding our opposition to their movement. Some of these folks tend to dismiss Concerned Nazarenes as a very small group comprised of “disgruntled” Nazarenes like Manny Silva, or perhaps my friend Tim Wirth, and maybe just a few other friends which perhaps amounts to a small handful of crazies. I think that is a serious mistake if they think so, and perhaps comes from a wish for it to be so.

Often a criticism of emergent opposition is that we have not had enough years of theological training and education, so how can we truly understand biblical doctrine and therefore criticize emergent ideology? One problem with this logic is this: I admit that my best claim to formal theological training is two semesters of New Testament Greek and a few other courses, but what about those who oppose emergent ideology, and who have the equivalent or higher in formal theological education as many emergent pastors have? How does an emergent answer an elder in the Nazarene church who believes as I do, that most of emergent ideology is based on Satan’s game plan of deception, and not rooted in the word of God?

One of the sneakiest game plans that emergent pastors follow, is to not let on that they are emergent! Why is that? Why can’t a pastor or elder who, in private conversation with me perhaps, will admit to supporting all that the EC has to offer; why can’t he also admit that to his congregation? WHy can’t he go on a full fledged campaign to trumpet the virtues of emergent ideology? Why is it that there seems to be a stealth campaign amongst many pastors to hide their true emergent leanings to their flock that they are responsible for feeding the word of God?

I believe the fact of the matter is that, concerned Nazarenes (or Christians) will be totally upfront about what they are for or against, regardless of criticism. But unless a congregation is fully, or almost fully emergent, there is a lack of candor, and a deliberate attempt to hide the full emergent agenda. Unless arm-twisting is done, there will be no statements such as “sure, I’m an emergent pastor, and proud of it. Here is what exactly I support and promote.” And if there is an upfront admission by an emergent pastor, perhaps it’s because they would rather see anyone who is opposed to their ideology, leave so they can more easily and cleanly continue with their agenda, unopposed, in their emergent style church.

I’ve spoken with more and more people who are part of a church which they have discovered has a pastor who is slowly trying to introduce the emergent agenda. They have asked me what they should do, and of course, every situation is different. But I have shared from my experiences and have advised them to work as well as they can to ask questions and get answers. I have warned them that many emergent pastors will respond in a very negative way to questions from members. They could very well be demonized if they stubbornly insist on getting clear answers. They could end up being shunned and eventually will be labelled the troublemakers, trying to divide a church or denomination. The fact is, all they are standing for, unashamedly, is for biblical truth and and the upholding of biblical doctrine, which most emergents think has very little importance now in this post-modern era. (Read 2 Tim. 3:16 to see Paul’s emphasis on doctrine’s importance, among scripture).

Yet I am reminded from a sermon by Pastor Tony a while ago, of this scripture in 1 Peter:

To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 1 Peter 5:1-3

This tells me that a pastor should not be rebuffing questions from members who are concerned, but should be completely upfront and honest if a concerned member is asking about something. A pastor should not in any way try to demonize someone who has tried to get answers to serious theological inquiries, but instead, give straight and clear answers, and hopefully, answers based on the word of God. A pastor who is responsible (and a very serious responsibility at that) for feeding his flock the whole counsel of God, should do just that! These situations should be teaching moments, not moments of telling a member to go away and stop asking questions? Does that sound vaguely familiar to any of you in your situation? If so, take care and be warned that thing smight not get easy at all, if you question a pastor you think might be emergent.

Finally, another accusation from emergents, which is totally unfounded biblically, is that we should not ever judge, except for the essentials. First of all, what are the essentials anyway? Correct me if wrong, but to me, essentials are whatever we are CLEARLY commanded in the scriptures to do, and not necessarily a short list of our primary doctrinal belief statements. A clear command in scripture is NOT optional. If you disobey in one area, you have disobeyed in all, the scriptures say. And of course, judgmentalism is not something emergents like, but we are commanded over and over again in the scriptures, on how and when to judge, NOT that we should never judge. I don’t have a theology degree, yet I understand that. Why do emergent pastors not understand that? Is it perhaps because when they say, “do not judge”, they deflect from any scrutiny of their doctrine?

So Concerned Nazarenes are not a small fringe group comprised of nutcases such as Manny Silva. There is growing opposition as more pastors, evangelists and other leadership, and plain old laypeople, start finding out about this cancer that has snuck into our universities and churches. Concerned Nazarenes are also totally upfront about their agenda, and are not embarrassed to say it. And, Concerned Nazarenes are judgmental, but as we are commanded in scripture, to “test the spirits”, to discern what is right and wrong doctrine, to know the fruits of those who are false teachers.

As the opposition grows to this “not of God movement”, I am making a plea to any pastor who is opposed to this movement. I ask that you join us clearly in this opposition. I ask that you join those who have risked their pastorates for the sake of truth. I ask that if you truly know that these practices and ideologies being promoted by the emergents is not of God, to speak out against it. It is scriptural, and it is clearly commanded by the Lord, and the apostles, that we do this. We owe it to the young babes in Christ who are still feeding on the milk, but who in their immaturity can be swept away by “almost the truth.”

It would be a big mistake if the emergent crowd continues to believe we are going away. We are not, and we will hold your feet to the fire, as we continue to inform more Nazarenes and Christians of the dangers of this false movement.

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Nazarene Social Justice and It’s Socialist Connections? by exnazarene

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on April 30, 2010

*UPDATE* April 25, 2010 – Apparently, OKC 1st Church of the Nazarene has removed it’s link on their main church website that showed their affiliation with the Industrial Areas Foundation. However, another point of reference with their involvement via their Minister of Social Justice, Lance Schmitz, can be found HERE at a Social Holiness website that claims it operates as a Ministry of Oklahoma First Church of the Nazarene. (I suggest people make copies of these pages before they also disappear.)

In addition, here is another news article that associates Minister of Social Justice, Lance Schmitz, as a committee member of an interfaith community coalition called the Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee, that is directly linked to the Industrial Areas Foundation.

exnazarene, on April 29, 2010 at 3:22 pm Said:
Looks like the links to the Social Holiness website that showed the involvement of Lance Schmitz, Minister of Social Justice, and Oklahoma City First Church of the Nazarene’s involvement with the Industrial Areas Foundation have mysteriously disappeared from the internet.
These things seem to happen once they are exposed publicly.
I hope people made copies of those pages. I did.
OKC 1st seems to have a penchant for disappearing links once they are exposed for what they are. I still remember the Kaleo emergent church website from 2006 (the emergent church operating within OKC 1st church) that had links to all sorts of strange spiritual formation links such as Taize…..and all the less than dignified monikers that graced the names of the ministers involved.
As I recall, Greg Horton was listed as a minister/leader of that group. His moniker was Guy In Monkey Hat, Jon Middendorf’s moniker was Lead Insominac, Steve Green’s moniker was Head Guru.
Yes, after this website was exposed publicly, it also disappeared, but I still have a copy of it.

To read the rest of the article please go here

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Spiritual Formation as Spiritual Deception: Beware the Peddlers of Grace

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on April 18, 2010

Great article by my friend and brother in the Lord Pastor Mike Spaulding

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The Seductive Poison of Apostasy by Eric Barger

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on April 8, 2010

April 7, 2010
The Seductive Poison of Apostasy

A look at 180, a new book from the Nazarene Publishing House

What if your church or your denomination’s official publishing house used denominational funds to print, publish and promote a book that extols the joys of rejecting biblical authority. That’s right, rejecting the Word of God. This is exactly what many biblically sound Nazarenes are now experiencing.

The latest and perhaps one of the most visible signs of distress for Nazarenes is the release of a troubling new book through an arm of the Nazarene Publishing House. 180: The Stories of People Who Changed Their Lives By Changing Their Minds is a product of a Nazarene-funded entity called “The House Studio,” which is listed under the covering of the Nazarene Publishing House in the 2010 General Board Reports of the Church of the Nazarene for the year 2009. (See:

180 is a compilation of several authors, including Emergent leader and author, Leonard Sweet, Frederica Mathewes-Green (who, along with Sweet and Emergent godfather, Brian McLaren, contributed to the book The Church in the Emerging Culture: Five Perspectives), G.P (Graham) Taylor (author of Shadowmancer), and Baptist-bred biographer-turned-fiction-writer, Ace Collins. A few of the other contributing authors include Emergent youth speaker, Mark Oestreicher, Karen Spears Zacharias, Patricia Raybon (who has endorsed contemplative spirituality and favors Catholic mystics), Cameron Conant and Bob Buford, the founder of Leadership Network, (the suspected genesis point which spawned today’s Emergent movement and its original leaders). Buford also served as the initial chairman of the Peter F. Drucker Foundation for Nonprofit Management, now known as “Leader to Leader Institute.”

The promotion for the 180 book states: How does a fundamentalist become less conservative? What makes a person intent on marrying choose to remain celibate and enter the priesthood? How can a scientist give up believing in certainty? What makes an organ-playing pastor’s wife hit the road with a band and her bass guitar?

These are all intriguing questions, sure to bring people into a fuller, more holy walk with Jesus, right?

Conant’s chapter explains how he began his adult life as a conservative but when his wife left him he saw the “error” of his Republican ways. Mathewes-Green tells the story of how she migrated from the pro-choice position to become pro-life, which, of course, is actually a good thing. Taylor’s part in the book was about how a dope smoking kid got straight – but like the majority of what 180 offers, there is no hint that God, His Son, His Spirit, or His Word had anything to do with the transformation.

Another contributor to 180 is self-described “professional adventurer” Melissa Jenks.

As a promotional sample of the book, Jenks’ chapter was apparently sent to every Nazarene pastor in March, 2010, as a part of the quarterly “Nazarene Communicator.” It was because of this mailing that a distressed Nazarene pastor called, making me aware of the book.

Jenks begins, “I used to believe that the Bible was true. Completely true-every single word. (In the words of theologians, inerrant.)

“I now believe that the Bible is true. Completely true-every single word.

“So what’s changed? I no longer believe that in order to be absolutely true, the Bible has to be literally true. It doesn’t have to mean that earth and life in it were created in seven days. It doesn’t have to mean that Methuseleh lived 969 years. It doesn’t have to mean that Joshua stopped the sun in the sky or that the streets of heaven are paved with actual gold.”

Along with promoting feminism and the view that American Christians are a rather hopeless and self-centered lot, Jenks follows with the concept that one can be an evolutionist (like her) and a Christian, too; that beliefs are inconsequential to one’s being identified as a “Christian”; and the conclusion that there are many people who reject the historic teaching of the Church but should be unquestionably accepted as real Christians.

Whether its called liberalism or Emergent, heretical or just plain goofy, these ideas are surely not within the bounds of authentic Christianity. In fact, as I stated in my March 19th e-update (“Where is the Leadership?”), notions like these more closely relate to the very lie that got us humans into this mess in the first place i.e., “Hath God Said?” (Genesis 3:1).

Then comes the book’s most regretable chapter, authored by Nazarene university professor, Karl Giberson. It’s called “Giving Up on Certainty,” which is exactly what the author tells 180 readers he has done concerning the Scriptures. Giberson is one of the world’s most noted proponents of the theory of “Open Theism,”* an evolutionist, and a professor at his alma mater, Eastern Nazarene College. (*Note that Open Theism hypothosizes that God does not know what the future holds.)

Giberson’s chapter in 180 recounts a sad story simliar to that of liberal theologian, Marcus J. Borg. He retells how his experience in Bible college led him away from his previously held position of certainty that the Bible was true and gave him in return a profound intellectual uncertainty for the Word of God. Portraying textbook-like postmodernity, Giberson’s contribution to 180 amounts to little more than a clear cut, egregious denial of the Bible. He claims to have made this change based on a series of events and teachings he received in college, including an old and baseless charge that assorted prophecies found in Scripture were actually fraudulent. I don’t care how intellectual he may be or how many degrees he has, or how many doting peers he may have showering him with awards and prestigue. The question needs to be asked: What is this guy doing teaching in an allegedly evangelical school? How many more students will enter once-trusted Bible colleges only to have their minds twisted and their belief in God’s Word shredded because someone who does not believe the Bible has been allowed to stand unquestioned before them as an authority?

In thinking of the Gibersons and Borgs and other assorted heretics that infest seminary classrooms all around us, I can’t help but remember the compelling phrase Jesus used as He addressed the educated but empty hypocrites of His day. Just before calling them snakes, he said the converts of these false teachers become twice the child of Hell than their mentors (Matthew 23:15)! I think I know something of how Jesus was feeling about this topic but before I allow myself to go there and tell you what I really think, let me introduce a mother named Ann. She has experienced one of the worst nightmares imaginable for any Christian parent. Year after year, Ann trained her son up in the ways of God. When the time came she sent him off to Bible college only to find that some so-called “intellectuals,” within the confines of what she thought was a solid theological institution, injected him with the seductive poison of apostasy, obliterating both her own life’s work and her son’s relationship with God.

Ann wrote me at She stated:

Thank you for your stand for truth and the defense of the Word of God which is now under attack through the emergent movement. This is being taught as the new post-modern “truth” at many so called “Christian” universities. I have a son who has been captured by this vain philosophy being taught at a Nazarene university. I am praying for his return to the truth of God’s Word as he was trained up for 12 years at home and in school to affirm God’s Word as absolute truth. The university taught from a New Testament book written by Bart Erhman, a self-proclaimed agnostic and academic expert in textual criticism. That class has derailed my son’s faith.

I wrote back:

Thanks for writing Ann.

I grieve when I hear reports like this. It is heart-wrenching. Hang in there and please let me know how it’s going. Remember, you are not alone. There is a godly remnant inside the Nazarene Church who are fighting for your son and for other sons and daughters. Let me know if there is anything we can provide for you or do.

By the way, which Nazarene University did your son attend?
God bless you!

Ann responded:

Thank you for your response. My son graduated 2008 from Point Loma Nazarene University and I have also have a daughter enrolled at PLNU finishing her junior year. The university has invited emergent authors/speakers to mandatory chapels and is offering contemplative prayer retreats.

I have written the General S/P of the Nazarene organization (Jerry Porter) and also the University president in this regard. The S/P sent me three documents put out by the Nazarenes concerning the emergent church which all clearly emphasized a strong biblical foundation and God’s Word as truth. However, the reality of these speakers in chapel and contemplative retreats are contrary to those documents. The University president has not responded.

The introduction to the 180 book states, “Even though we’re not out to change your mind on anything, we hope to stretch it a little.” Stretch it a little? But how? By relying on human stories to emotionally appeal to us that drugs and abortion are evil – but never relating what the Word of God states on the topics? Then worse, by casting doubt on the Word of God with the kind of conflicting, faith-breaking doubletalk found in 180? Call me old-fashioned, but I thought the mission of the Church was to produce materials and teaching that uphold the authentic Gospel of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine Peter, Paul or any of the other Apostles writing a chapter in 180? I think not. God is indeed in the mind-changing business – make that the renewing of the mind through His mighty Word (Romans 12:1-2, Psalm 119:11)! If we need anything today it is voices that refute false beliefs instead of endorsing them. Rather than question marks, we must add exclamation points to the emphatic teachings of the Bible!

Call me narrow-minded but I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with the progressive, supposedly intellectual tripe some so-called Christian educators are foisting on young minds while consistantly downplaying and discouraging systematic theology, expository preaching and sound doctrine. It has become a vogue part of allegedly “higher” Christian education today to constantly question and doubt biblical truths rather than uphold them – all in the name of “critical thinking.” This isn’t some sort of postmodern apologetics. Instead, it is nothing short of subversion and is the very veil with which those who are guided by the spirit of rebellion cloak themselves.

Rebellion is indeed the spirit of the age we live in and it is at work inside the Church. The apostle John exclaimed, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (I John 4:1). I am more convinced with each passing day that what we are battling is nothing short of the attempted complete destruction of the historic Church by some within the borders of our theological institutions and denominations. Just look to those formerly sound theological giants of the recent past, Harvard, Princeton and Yale. Have we forgotten that they were once home to the greatest defenders of biblical truth in the world? It is surely no stretch that one would have to spend considerable time and effort to find many authentic Bible believers within their walls today. We must wake up before their fate becomes ours.

Considering the fact that evolution and open theism are being accepted and heralded in Nazarene universities, and books like 180 are being printed and promoted by the official publishing arm of the Church of the Nazarene, make one wonder what is next. However, as most of you know, Emergent heresy is certainly not confirned to any one denomination. Concerned Christians should be watching, examining, challenging, and demanding accountability from those in leadership. Lest there be more heartbreak such as Ann’s, and for the sake of the next generation, we can do no less. Ladies and gentlemen, TRUTH comes with a price and this is what contending for it looks like.

For an extensive menu of information on this and related issues visit “The Church of the Nazarene and the Emergent Church” at our website,

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Where is the leadership? by Eric Barger

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 19, 2010

March 19, 2010

Nazarene Pastor Resigns while Church Officials Attempt to Ignore Heresy

Many of you have tracked my research and involvement concerning the Church of the Nazarene and the alarming inroads that Emergent leaders and philosophy have made into this once-sound denomination. Though I am not a Nazarene (and never have been), I speak regularly in solid Nazarene churches and it is no secret that I am a friend and supporter of many inside the Nazarene Church who are engaged in fighting heresy throughout every tier of the denomination, in particular the hierarchical leadership and the extensive Nazarene university system. (See “The Church of the Nazarene and the Emergent Church” for an extensive menu of information concerning this.)

In a newly released position statement, Nazarene General Superintendents acknowledge the controversy and extreme disagreement within their church concerning Emergent teaching and practices. However, according to one District Superintendent, the General Superintendents of the denomination have decided not to take a position concerning Emergent ideas and theology. This is a sad and troubling turn of events.

Bluntly put, one has to wonder how those leading such a large body of Christian believers can ignore the Bible’s strong exhortations to those who would lead God’s Church concerning what can only be described as blatant heresy.

Exposing and routing false teaching was nothing foreign to Jesus, His Apostles and the early Church. Nearly every book in the New Testament outlines a struggle for truth or a warning about apostasy, false teachers or the disastrous outcome of theological error. Paul instructed the Galatians to accept only the authentic Gospel (as represented in the Scriptures) and pronounces a double curse on those who would purvey false doctrine (Galatians 1:8-9). The letter written by the Lord’s half-brother, Jude, is consumed with warnings over false teachers, including the famous statement that Christians are to contend earnestly for the one true faith. Jesus Himself points out that the end of days will be signaled by an exponential increase in false teachers (Matthew 24:11). He caps this by warning that, because of the work of false prophets and their perverted views, the love (for truth) of many (in the Church) will grow faint. Paul clearly instructs Titus that the mouths of those who oppose accurate teaching and doctrine are to be stopped! This is the very crux of biblical apologetics – a reasoned statement of truth and a defense of the true faith in the face of what is false. Thank God that many are vigorously engaging in apologetics inside the Nazarene Church at this time.

One pastor told me recently that he has personally challenged his own District officials concerning Emergent radicalism and when told that there will not be an official denominational position concerning Emergent error he bluntly replied, “No position IS taking a position. To take no position on Emergent isn’t leadership!” I agree. We are also now told that Nazarene university officials are being instructed to try to play down Emergent thought in their midst and, at least for a season, they should cease having Emergent leaders as guest speakers on their campuses. It may be too little, too late, regarding trying to keep key Emergent leaders off the premises however. Emergent philosophy is heralded by many professors and has broad appeal to many unsuspecting students. The unorthodox teaching of Brian McLaren, Tony Jones, Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, Phyllis Tickle, and Alan Roxburgh (among others) has spread like wildfire in the bible colleges and seminaries associated with nearly every denomination. So any effort to limit the appearances of Emergent leaders by the Nazarenes really can’t be construed as any sort of refutation of Emergent teaching but rather only an effort to allow the existing controversy surrounding them to wane.

The Results of Ignoring Heresy

In one of his most emphatic and corrective letters, the Apostle Paul warned, “A littleleavenleaveneth the wholelump.” (Galatians 5:9) That is, if we allow heretical views to gain ground and spawn, it won’t be long before the entire loaf (the Church) is corrupted with heresy.Nothing better illustrates the deep divide present in the Church of the Nazarene than the fact that solid, bible-believing churches and leaders are now seeing their only recourse to be to leave the denomination. One would hope and pray that the international leaders of the Church of the Nazarene (and nearly every other denomination including the Southern Baptists and Assemblies of God) would wake up and stop courting Emergent heresy as nothing more than just a “new way to do church.”

I have been in constant touch with others who have now been threatened, intimidated and, in one case, actually put out of his ministry position, by Nazarene officials intent on stifling any negative discussion opposing Emergent philosophy. Now there is the case of Pastor Rick Headley from Ohio. Here is the letter he wrote to Rev. Jerry Porter, one of the General Superintendents of the Church of the Nazarene.

Dear Rev. Porter:

On May 5, 2000, after 10 long years of studying and working to finish my studies and complete necessary service time, you ordained me as an Elder in the Church of the Nazarene. At the altar of Grove City (Ohio) Church of the Nazarene you looked me in the eyes and charged me to be faithful to the Word of God and its ministry. You then placed your hand upon my head as I knelt at the altar and you prayed that God would help me carry out the charge that you had given me. I took that charge seriously, Rev. Porter. I have faithfully attended to this charge as a local pastor for a total of 20 years.

I have been disheartened to see our great denomination travel a very slippery slope as it has allowed emergent thinkers to infiltrate our educational institutions, publishing house, and our districts. The heart of this movement is an open denial of the inerrancy and relevancy of God’s Word. The very Word of God that you charged me to be faithful to. I have waited for you and the General Board to refute the leaders of this movement in our denomination and reaffirm the Church of the Nazarene’s commitment to scripture. The General Board’s silence on this issue has been deafening.

Rev. Porter, I am conflicted by the idea that you charged me to be faithful to God’s Word and its ministry and yet you choose to be silent as well known Church of the Nazarene leaders such as John Middendorf, Dan Boone and others use their influence to propagate the emergent ideology. I am compelled to believe that the silence of the General Board on this issue is communicating an acceptance through tolerance.

“How much further will they go?” was the question that was asked by the great preacher C.H. Spurgeon in his magazine “Sword and Trowel” in August 1887. He asked this of the Baptist Denomination – a movement that he had faithfully served for 35 years and in which he was the most prominent preacher. For some time, he and others in the Baptist Union had been concerned that apostasy from earlier standards might be showing up in the denomination. They were also concerned at the character of the teaching being given in some of the Baptist colleges. After asking the above question, the great soul-winner said, “It now becomes a serious question how far those who abide by the truth once delivered unto the saints should fraternize with those who have turned to another Gospel.”

After much prayer and deliberation I have decided to return my ordination document to you. I can no longer tolerate the idea of being associated with a denomination that openly allows an ideology that promotes disdain for God’s Word, ancient mystic practices, and pagan catholic traditions.

Sadly Submitted,
Rev. Rick Headley

To the dismay of Nazarenes’ intent on placating Emergent thought, letters like this could indeed be just the tip of the iceberg. Literally every day I am receiving emails or phone calls from Nazarene pastors on the verge of leaving the denomination because of what is being allowed by Nazarene leaders and openly advocated in Nazarene universities. One pastor told me he had been blatantly lied to by those wishing to protect Emergent teaching in the Nazarene university system. Another told me that waking up to the reality that heretical ideas are being forwarded inside Nazarene classrooms was like being blindsided in the worst way. Still another Nazarene pastor called last week to say that his church was simply not going to follow the status quo any longer and was about to embark on an effort to confront Emergent error being promulgated at Mt. Vernon Nazarene University in Ohio by simply withholding funds that would normally be earmarked for use there. Ladies and gentlemen, if there is any way to get the attention of district officials it is this way. As my mentor, the late Dr. Walter Martin, once said, “If we REALLY want to fix the problem of false gospels in our churches we need to use the ‘gospel of the checkbook.’ It stimulates almost instantaneous repentance.” (Click Here to watch Dr. Martin address the “Cult of Liberal Theology” from 1987.)

It is an understatement to say that many are heartbroken that the church they have invested their lives in has been slowly transformed by what can only be described as a satanic infiltration of cultic teaching and false teachers. Though I feel like a broken record repeating it again, this is a nearly identical attack that brought the once-evangelical Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Congregationalist, and other denominations down 100-150 years ago. As I mentioned to a Nazarene pastor who called me today, the issue isn’t really over mystical practices, Open Theism or Brian McLaren. Those are sub-issues of the larger point. The REAL issue is over the authority and validity of the Bible. That’s where Satan focused his attack from the very beginning, when the serpent mused, “Hath God Said?” (Genesis 3:1)

Please hear me clearly here. I thank God for men, women, and churches who are righteously standing for the whole counsel of God’s Word. There are thousands upon thousands of biblically-minded Nazarene clergy and laypeople who are not willing to in any way support false teaching. To them, I encourage you to stand up, and continue to stand on the teaching of the scriptures as you warn your friends, families, colleagues, and congregations. Remember that, in the end, your allegiance is first to God, His Word and His truth – not to any earth-bound organization, no matter how storied and trustworthy a history it may have. The final question is, if we do not make ourselves vulnerable and challenge heresy now, what will the next generation of Nazarene, Baptist or Assemblies of God pastor resemble?

Though some may misconstrue this, I hope that what I’ve stated here is taken as a call for righteousness, for clarity, for truth, and for sound doctrine. Those holding to aberrant theology may not like it, but Paul told the Thessalonian church to “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil” (I Thessalonians 5:21-22). The Ephesians were instructed to “Prove what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:10-11). The command in both passages is clear: we are to “prove” what is true, avoid what is heresy, and expose the activities of those who deceive.

Although following in the footsteps of Pastor Rick Headley is for many an unthinkable end to consider, there is hope for any and every pastor or layperson that God leads out of any group. Life didn’t start and will not end with the hierarchy of any fellowship or denomination. This is especially true if those who’ve been entrusted with the faith seem content to ignore or worse yet, even protect heresy while merely hoping the opposition to what is plainly false teaching would somehow subside. Yes, speaking up may cost you. Someday ask Paul, Peter, or Stephen about the price they paid to stand for truth. You may be denigrated and shunned for defending the faith. You may feel threatened and your very ministry may seem to be in jeopardy but, in the end, to whom are you accountable?

Those who are publicly tackling issues such as the Emergent heresy are often made out to be misfits and troublemakers by those who’ve refused to expose and root out heretical ideas in our denominational structures and theological institutions. Having been such a target throughout the years, I personally know this all too well. The current group of detractors has chosen to attack and malign me personally because of their inability to present valid arguments against what I am proclaiming. Emergent defenders have neither history nor the Bible on their side, so a few have decided to just spend their time and energy lampooning and ridiculing those of us who dare oppose their favorite brand of apostasy. Although they often tout the tired claim that “apologists destroy unity,” it is disingenuous and laughable for the opposition to claim that those speaking up and biblically exposing error are themselves actually the issue.

Emergent sympathizers would like me and others to just shut up and go away. But retreat doesn’t shine the light on error or warn the unsuspecting. I honestly know of no one involved in apologetics and discernment ministry who relishes confrontation and the other often uncomfortable aspects of the work. However, we understand that peace at any cost isn’t real peace and that unity for the sake of appeasement isn’t real unity either. Error must be exposed no matter how unpopular or disquieting it may be. Truth – God’s truth – is the most important element and without it as our guiding force, unholy compromise quickly spreads and becomes the norm. That’s just not acceptable.

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Preachers Who Don’t Believe — The Scandal of Apostate Pastors

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 19, 2010

Preachers Who Don’t Believe — The Scandal of Apostate Pastors.

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More Rob Bell unbiblical quotes

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on March 19, 2010

Posted in Alan Roxburgh, Allelon, Bob Hunter, Brian McLaren, Charles Christian, Dan Boone, Dennis Bratcher, Emergent Church, Emergent church within the Nazarene denomination, Jesse Middendorf, John Hanna, Jon Middendorf, Leonard Sweet, New spirituality, Rick Warren, Rob Bell, Scott Daniels, Tom Oord | Leave a Comment »