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The Importance of Keeping the Gospel Intact with Eric Barger

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on January 9, 2011

New Eric Barger video

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New Paul Proctor article

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on December 21, 2010

New Paul Proctor article very solid as usual

Here is the link

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THE EMERGENT CHURCH,WELCOME YOUR WICCAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS BY MANNY SILVA

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on October 18, 2010

Emergent Church, Welcome Your Wiccan Brothers and Sisters
Posted on October 18, 2010 by reformednazarene
It’s getting crazier, and scarier every day. I used to think that only the really slick, smooth talking false teachers like Rob Bell, Leonard Sweet, and Richard Foster, would be able to fool so many Christians, so many of my fellow Nazarenes. But it seems now that Satan is getting bolder and bolder. He is casting aside the subtlety, and guiding his minions into new declarations of unity with just about anyone. The formula of 99% truth mixed with 1% deception is changing to a deeper mix of error, and apparently it can work quite well. Now it’s an emergent church leader, Samir Selmanovic, who is doing kumbayah with Wiccans, as told in the following report by Ingrid Schlueter. (*Note regarding my alma mater, Eastern Nazarene College. Tony Campolo will be speaking on Oct. 29 in chapel service on the campus. What does he have to do with this? Well, just that Campolo sings the praises of this pretend Christian: “Samir Selmanovic is just what we have needed to bring the spirit of Christ to bear in a fractured society.” I’ll have a report on Campolo after the ENC speaking engagement, although I have personally suggested to ENC leadership that they rethink this invitation for Campolo.)

If anyone thinks that they are immune from deception, think again. If you have not bought the lies of these emergent false teachers, I suggest you remain on your guard with the full armor on, 24/7. Put the Joel Osteen feel good books down and pick up your Bible instead! If you have bought the lie, or are burying your head in the sand, I am praying for you. Look at all the lies that have snuck into so many of our Nazarene and other Christian universities, and even our seminaries, and it makes me wonder whether the deception even has to be subtle anymore, from reading this latest story. Will we go a step further and get a little closer to embracing Wiccans also? Farfetched you say? Look at our embrace of nothing less than Christianized transcendental meditation, as well as Roman Catholic practices and the promotion of unity with this church institution that teaches a false gospel. (You don’t disagree that the RCC teaches a false gospel, do you?)
Look at the normalization of pagan practices forbidden by scripture, like the prayer labyrinth, right in the Nazarene church and some of the schools. Is anyone okay with that, and if so, what justifies sit? If you re okay with all that and more, then it is not farfetched anymore to think that soon, in the Nazarene denomination, more of what was considered abnormal and un-Christian, will be embraced. It’s just a matter of time, isn’t it? Look at the open theism being taught, the acceptance of evolution, the practical denial that all of th Bible is God’s infallible inspired word! Call me crazy, but just as as the United Methodists, the ELCA, and others have accepted and embraced homosexuality as normal and started ordaining openly gay priests, what’s to stop the Nazarene denomination? Perhaps we have already taken baby steps towards that in our official writings, but no one is aware of it yet. We’ve gone off the deep end in so many ways, why should we stop now? Besides, is that not the goal- as much unity as possible with as many as possible? Is that not what the scriptures teach us? “Why can’t we all just get along?”
Makes me wonder more and more, how will the Anti-christ show himself someday? Who will it be? And how many of the “elect” will be swept away by his deception? I don’t know, but Satan surely is working his “mojo” overtime now to prepare the way for that “man of perdition”. As you ponder the following story, don’t think for a minute that this is as bad as it will get. If you are among those who have bought into the emergent church lie, or are looking away from this bad traffic accident in front of you, wait until later, because it will get even worse. This is simply Satan “masquerading as an angel of light” again (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). I sure don’t want to be one of those who will be deluded in the last days.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Emergent Church Leader Worships with Wiccans
Posted by Ingrid Schlueter in Emergent Church, Religion on October 14th, 2010 |
Just in time for Halloween, cutting-edge emergent leader Samir Selmanovic breaks new ground by drawing the Wiccans close to his breast. He runs a place called Faith House Manhattan where the world religions meet together in microcosm and draw from each others spirituality. Here’s his tweet from October 12 where he announces his wonderful guests, the Wiccans. He goes further by reporting on the theological witch’s brew that he stirs in this news report from Faith House. He says that this fall at Faith House they’re exploring how to cross boundaries into “new spaces.” Well, that’s certainly one way to put it. Apprising Ministries shares more on Selmanovic’s attempt at blending darkness and light, the table of Christ and demons, and shows Selmanovic’s gushing tweets about celebrating the occult holiday of Samhain with the witches.
You have to hand it to Samir. At least he’s not shucking and jiving like some of his emergent colleagues. His interspiritual agenda is right there out front. He’s helping to bring world religions together, including occult religions, to drink from a common well, and he’s proud of it. Increasingly, there are fewer emergent wolves bothering with the sheep costume. With pastors today doing things like sex campaigns and life-enhancement sermons, there are no wolf warnings going out. The wolves are now openly stalking their prey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgSmMfENGs&feature=player_embedded

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Haters of the Truth by Mike Oppenheimer

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on October 12, 2010

After reading some of the heretical statements of the heresy promoting website Naz Net I wanted to put this article out. The type of garbage promoted at Naz net is becoming very common place within Christianity.
I see the sheep being separated from the goats.

Haters of the truth

Ever since the first lie was introduced to humanity, lies have competed against the truth. There is an ongoing war between the truth and the lies for humanities affection and loyalty. Every person living will take a side in this conflict. The truth is being on God’s side the lies being on the one creature who opposes God and has led a rebellion.

Today we are surrounded by lies and even when the truth is told it is ignored or disbelieved.

There are different types of truth, there is mathematical truth, historical truth and then there is the most important truth of all, Spiritual truth. Only Spiritual truth will affect your eternity.

Poems are written, Songs are sung about the truth. John Lennon singing of politicians and hypocrites sang “All I want is the truth, Just give me some truth”

Truth is rare. Lies are commonplace. There is truth found in mathematics, history, relationships and there is the ultimate truth that everyone will have to face-God.

The truth in history has been distorted in all sorts of areas, scientific truth — environmentalism, history is often changed in books. People want the truth told to them. People want the truth business, relationships, politics and most importantly, religion i.e. the church.

The truth when made to be relative is used to manipulate people through science and morals. But God considers his truth ABSOLUTE; meaning there is no discussion on whether it is true or accurate, it came from the creator of all things who cannot lie. He is the “God of truth” Ps 31:5. His truth is void of anything false. You can only know what is wrong by comparing it to the truth. In the same way you don’t know you are in darkness until the light comes. If you live life without pursuing truth all you will embrace are lies. The more truth you have and live by, the less lies affect you. This why we are told to believe, hold and walk in the truth. The carnal nature deceives man.

Jesus gave the truth straight and those who were searching for it heard it plainly, others who did not care to hear it resisted and were bewildered at his statements. People don’t like the truth told to them, especially when it is about themselves being wrong. The Pharisees reacted with hostility when they heard what Jesus had to say about their worship. It was offensive to their mind and even more to the heart, It is no different today. This is why the subject of sin is avoided today, it is confronting and shakes the foundation of ones very existence when told what it does to them. People can react violently when they are exposed any answer from the word of God that further affirms that they are wrong, it raises their anger more. We have two choices, we can allow the word to heal us or it will hurt us.

There are people that argue there is NO absolute truth but they live as if there is, knowing there are consequences for certain things they do wrong. Then there are those who believe there is absolute truth but live as if it will have no affect on their lives. In our day we often hear that truth is relative. Relative truth demeans life, Life may be claimed to be meaningless for a time but no one can really live like this and survive.

Is truth relative, or absolute? Absolute truth means that what is true is always true, at all times and in all places. What is true for one person is true for all people. Truth is true whether we believe it or not. The truth is not made up, it exists.

One person wrote “Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.” What would be the sense of seeking what does not exist? Chasing the illusive butterfly.

If you do away with absolute truth then all your left with is man’s opinions. Man without referring to his maker is nearly always wrong, especially when it comes to morals and ethics. The prophet Isaiah wrote, “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil…. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:20-21)

Only a higher intelligent being who created all things, who is morally perfect, whose commands and actions are rooted in the ultimate good, (His nature) can tell man unequivocally what is wrong and what is right for him. Micah 6:8 “He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?”

Living by relative truth stops human beings in their personal pursuit of truth. Freedom of choice is a necessity or one is unable to examine the differences to see what really is true. If absolute truth is not part of the choice they can make then one is living by their own standard or someone else’s opinion of what that standard should be. Lenin said, A lie told often enough becomes the truth. We see this becoming the norm of our day through the media and science.
You can only find out what is wrong if you are able to compare it to something that is absolute. If you compare relative truth to another relative truth it becomes circular reasoning and it does not matter which one may choose, it becomes personal preference. People often pick their religion like this. They like some things and not others so they join a certain religion or the make up their own.

An oxymoron is that both relative and absolute truth can be equally true at the same time. The fact that one can categorize truth to be relative insists that which they call truth is false and should be discarded.

Grace Slick sang “when the truth is found to be lies and all the joy within you dies.”

But when THE truth is found (to be true), we rejoice, and that is what the Word of God offers humanity.

These Scriptures describe the time we live in. Isa. 59:4: “No one calls for justice, nor does any plead for truth. They trust in empty words and speak lies; they conceive evil and bring forth iniquity. V.14-15: “ Justice is turned back, and righteousness stands afar off; for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. So truth fails, and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey. Then the LORD saw it, and it displeased Him that there was no justice.”

We live in the time of great compromise Jer. 7:28 “So you shall say to them, ‘This is a nation that does not obey the voice of the LORD their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth.”

The truth is there and needs to be rediscovered. The truth is given out of love; it is never divorced from love.

When people cannot deal with the truth they turn on the one delivering it, they devour the messenger. This why Jesus said “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” (Matt 7:6) so we need to be wise in distributing his word.

The truth to those who care less for it is always going to be disregarded and the messenger will be attacked. They did it to Jesus, they did it to the apostles and they will do it to you. Our part is to stay accurate and make sure it is delivered in a caring and loving way and not take it personally when it is rejected. Because they are not rejecting you but Christ.

We carry a message which is often not well received. I Jn 4:6: We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” We speak his words and those whom God is drawing will hear.

God is described “He is the Rock, His work is perfect; for all His ways are justice, a God of truth and without injustice; righteous and upright is He” (Deut. 32:4)

How trustworthy is one like this? He is able to be completely trusted.

Before the world was, there was love and truth existing in God.

The Bible describes God is love (I Jn 4:8;1 Jn.4:16) I Jn 1:5 God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.” John 4:24 “God is Spirit” describing His nature which is unlike anything created. He, God, is specifically called the God of truth 4 times. Consider How God is described:

Isa. 65:16 “So that he who blesses himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he who swears in the earth shall swear by the God of truth”

Psalm 31:5 “Into Your hand I commit my spirit; you have redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.” (partially quoted by Jesus at his death)

The truth is described as fire, light, the word and a person. God is a personal being whose all activities are connected to truth and love.

Ps. 86:15: “But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious, long-suffering and abundant in mercy and truth.”

Ps. 33:4-5: “For the word of the LORD is right, and all His work is done in truth. He loves righteousness and justice”

Ps. 25:5 “Lead me in Your truth and teach me, for You are the God of my salvation; on You I wait all the day’

Ps. 25:10: “All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth, to such as keep His covenant and His testimonies.”

Ps. 40:11 “Do not withhold Your tender mercies from me, O LORD; let Your lovingkindness and Your truth continually preserve me”

Eph. 1:13 “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation” You can trust the one who gives salvation.

God is called the God of truth and His Scripture is directly called the word of truth five times. “Scripture of Truth” (Dan. 10:21).

Ps 119:43: “And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, for I have hoped in Your ordinances.”

2 Cor 6:7: “by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left ”

2 Tim 2:15: Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. “

Jesus said thy word

Ps 119:160: “The entirety of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.

John 17:17: “ Your word is truth.” Everything about God is about truth, He cannot lie.

Isa 25:1 “your counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.

Ps 85:10 Mercy and truth have met together; righteousness and peace have kissed.

Ps 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; mercy and truth go before Your face.

Ps 61:7 He shall abide before God forever. Oh, prepare mercy and truth, which may preserve him!’

Ps 91:4 “his truth shall be your shield and buckler.”

Just as there are different facets to the Holy Spirit represented by different liquids, so there is for the word. God communicated to man and then became man (became en morphe – in flesh)

Jesus said the truth will set you free- why? Because when we lie we cover up the truth and it brings shame, guilt and destroys our conscience that was made in God’s image.

Jesus’ truth is more powerful than any other thing that is true in the world, more than science or morals because it affects our spirituality, and what affects us spiritually changes our life and our eternity.

The truth comes from a revelation, Mt.16:16 the Father revealed it to Peter, it has nothing to do with how intelligent one is, or striving for an illumination.

I Jn 5:6 because the Spirit is truth. He is sent into the world to deliver us from sin, the lies, the darkness. John 3:33″He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.”

We cannot affect the truth pro or con anymore than a scientist speaking on gravity can change it. One must resist gravity to go upwards. It is the same principle spiritually we are all already condemned, only believing the truth can this be changed (Jn. 3:16-17)

John 14:17 “the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you” Two other times John mentions the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of truth John 15:26 and in

John 16:13 ” when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth;” that is a theme of his ministry to us and the world, to us we are sinners and to show us when we are departing from the truth.

We are born of God by being born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, (1 Pet 1:23). James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures” we become new creations by his word that he calls truth.

Ps 145:18-19 “The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, to all who call upon Him in truth. He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; he also will hear their cry and save them.”

God looks for honesty and integrity in our lives Ps 51:6: “Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, and in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom.

songwriter Nicholson Gary nominated to Nashville’s hall of fame who has written 350 songs sang “ the trouble with truth” here are some of the lyrics

Oh, the trouble with the truth
Is it’s always the same ‘ol thing
So hard to forget, so impossible for me to change
Every time I try to fight it
I know I’ll be left to blame…
And the trouble with the truth
Is it’s just what I need to hear
Ringing so right, deep down inside my ear
And it’s everything I want
And it’s everything I fear… Is it’s just what I need to hear
It has ruined the taste of the sweetest lies
Burned through my best alibis
Every sin that I deny…. And the trouble with the truth
Is it just won’t let me rest
I run and hide but there’s always another test
And I know that it won’t let me be
‘Til I’ve given it my best
We need to decide if there is truth and if Jesus said he is a teacher of truth -that

He is the truth. There are only two choices, accept what he said or reject it, all of it.

There came a point in Jesus’ ministry when he no longer taught the truth plainly but hid it in what he said by parables. This could only be understood by those who honestly were pursuing the truth; those who did not were left in the dark.

He even started to answer their questions with other questions because he knew they cared not for the truth.

Today we have a scarcity of truth, especially from the pulpit. Truth must be attended to or it will go into decline. If there is a vacuum what will rush in is Falsehood. We are to guard the truth and pass it on so it continues to all generations. “His truth endures to all generations” (Psalm 100:5). This is why the church is in such a ungodly state the truth is hardly affirmed nor guarded.

One must be taught the truth to teach it to others, as Paul wrote Timothy “The things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2 Timothy 2:2).

Israel is our example. Jer 9:3 “And like their bow they have bent their tongues for lies. They are not valiant for the truth on the earth. For they proceed from evil to evil, and they do not know Me,” says the LORD.”

The church is supposed to be the pillar and ground of truth, this is where people go to get the truth- can we say this true today? No, the church, is in a decrepit condition.

Everyone has some kind of agenda when they tell a lie, Christians are to have the agenda to tell the truth. If we can face it, the truth is spread by evangelism. Giving the gospel and defending it when necessary.

Eccl 12:10 “The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and what was written was upright– words of truth.’

Prov.12:17-18: “He who speaks truth declares righteousness, but a false witness, deceit.

There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, but the tongue of the wise promotes health.”

Those who speak God’s truth bring health, healing to those who have been hurt in life. Others who speak falsely make people sick

The church is to speak the truth in love, preserve truth and unity through the Spirit. The pulpit is reserved for those who teach the truth. They don’t have to be elegant, they can be raw but they should strive to be accurate. We lack proactive preaching, if you don’t proclaim the truth the lies will continue unhindered and increase.

Because of all the sweets fed to us we have become fat and are unable to work.

We have more Bibles and Bible tools than any other time in history; and yet we are more biblically illiterate and hear the truth less.

We are told that the truth will become rare in the latter days and 2 Pet 2:2 “And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.”

Each of us are responsible to know the truth and live by it. “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15). Its you and God, no one else can help you.

In the Tribulation period truth will be openly opposed

Dan. 8:12 “Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.

There is a day coming when the truth will separate the people and there will only be truth proclaimed throughout the earth Ps 96:13 “For He is coming, for He is coming to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with His truth.” When Jesus returns he separates the sheep from the goats and makes his decision perfectly because he is righteous and true.

When the Lord returns to bring his kingdom that the whole earth will live in

“Thus says the LORD: `I will return to Zion, and dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, the Mountain of the LORD of hosts, the Holy Mountain.’ (Zech 8:3?) All that will go out from his counsel will be true and will influence the whole world.

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From Truth to a new spirituality-By Berit Kjos

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on September 7, 2010

This charts the path that unbelievers and false teachers are leading us to

http://www.crossroad.to/charts/new-spirituality.htm

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Christian TV’s All Time worst fundraising gimmicks

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on August 11, 2010

I find (most) Christian TV to not be represented of Christianity at all. I come from a Word Faith background and believe that there is a special place in hell for those who are stealing from Gods people.
Tim

CHRISTIAN TV’s ALL-Time WORST FUNDRAISING GIMMICKS
-J. Lee Grady.

Let’s stop the hypnotism, the guilt manipulation and the high-
pressure gimmicks. It’s time to reclaim our lost credibility.

Normally I’d rather go to the dentist for a root canal than watch a
telethon. But while channel surfing a few nights ago I tuned into
PBS and discovered that Aretha Franklin, the legendary Queen
of Soul, was hosting a fundraiser for the network. Seated at a
piano, she was offering a 5-CD collection of classic rhythm and
blues hits in exchange for a donation to public television.

It was simple. There were no gimmicks, no games and no strings
attached in Aretha’s offer. If you gave the suggested gift, she
explained, PBS would mail you a big slice of American pop
culture—including songs by Gladys Knight and the Pips, Smokey
Robinson, the Four Tops, Al Green and Aretha herself, singing her
classic “Respect.”

My respect for PBS was still intact when the telethon ended,
thanks to this low-key, no-pressure approach to fundraising. I
can’t say that for some Christian networks, which have shame-
lessly extorted money from viewers over the years using heavy-
handed guilt manipulation, hypnotic control and bizarre Scripture-
twisting.

During the PBS telethon I wondered why Christian networks couldn’t
simply offer music, books or other premiums instead of resorting to
the typical arm-twisting and tear-jerking that we’ve come to expect.
We need an overhaul in this area. Somebody needs to lead the
way in pioneering a new style of on-air fundraising that doesn’t treat
people like brainless zombies.

Here are five of my least favorite fundraising tactics. I wish all of
them could be banned from the airwaves.

Gimmick #1: The magic Bible verse. You know the drill. The
evangelist quotes Psalm 37:37 and then announces that if you will
send $37.37 (“No more, no less!”) God will unleash all the blessings
of King David upon you. (Hint: The phones seem to ring more
frequently when the number seven is included in the Bible reference.)

Gimmick #2: The urgent, time-is-running-out plea. Before the
preacher asks you to reach for your wallet, dramatic music is piped
in. Then “Reverend Cheatem” talks about how the crippled man
waited by the pool of Bethesda, hoping that the angel would trouble
the waters so he could be healed. “God is troubling the waters right
now, my dear friend,” the preacher says with his eyes closed. “Go
to the phones now, before it is too late. Only those who give in this
holy, anointed moment will receive a supernatural blessing in return.”

Gimmick #3: The memorialized gift. One popular evangelist
announced on-air that she needed thousands of dollars to build a
prayer room. She promised that those who funded this noble effort
would receive recognition with special brass nameplates that
would be mounted on the wall of the facility. The implication was
that people could buy prayer coverage, sort of like a spiritual
insurance policy. (I’m not surprised—since this woman offered
her loyal followers the status of “spiritual son” or “spiritual
daughter” if they paid a $1,000 annual fee.)

Gimmick #4: The debt-breaking anointing. One preacher who
specializes in telethons has raised millions by telling audiences
that they are just one donation away from eliminating all red ink.
All they have to do is give a sacrificial gift (usually four figures) to
the TV network in the next few minutes. If they do this, God will
wipe out their debts, no questions asked. No lifestyle changes
necessary. (This technique was especially popular before the
mortgage crisis.)

Gimmick #5: The Day of Atonement offering. This particularly odd
strategy has been popular in the last couple of years, especially
among gullible Christians who believe God blesses anything and
everything that has the word “Israel” attached to it. The preacher
announces that if you write a check to their network, and wave it
in the air before you mail it (preferably while wearing a Jewish prayer
shawl), God will forgive your sins, restore your health, bring back
your wayward children, provide angelic protection and bless you
with more than a dozen other special favors.

I still don’t know what is more outrageous: That programmers allow
such insanity on Christian television, or that gullible Christians fall
for it year after year. Hopefully, emerging leaders in the religious
broadcasting industry will restore our lost credibility by insisting
on integrity, authenticity and good taste.

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Richard Foster to Speak at Point Loma Retreat

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on July 19, 2010

Well Point Loma is hosting Richard Foster and Renovare
Here is the link
Renovare’
Point Loma Nazarene University

Now here is the scoop on Richard Foster

A Biblically based commentary on current issues that impact you

Richard Foster-Celebration of Deception

by Bob DeWaay

In February 2008, Christianity Today ran a glowing cover story about Evangelicalism’s recent embrace of medieval Roman Catholic mysticism entitled The Future lies in the Past.1 The article traced the beginning of the movement as follows: “The movement seems to have exploded in a 24-month period in 1977-1978, which saw the publication of Richard Foster’s bestselling Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth and Robert Webber’s Common Roots: A Call to Evangelical Maturity.”2

The article views Foster as one who continues to guide the movement: “From Dallas Willard, Richard Foster, and living practicing monks and nuns, they [those going back to Roman Catholic mysticism] must learn both the strengths and the limits of the historical ascetic disciplines.”3 So Foster was instrumental in starting a movement that is still growing 30-plus years later.

The irony about this particular CIC regarding Foster’s 1978 book is that in 1978 I myself was living in a Christian community committed to practicing much of what he promotes in Celebration of Discipline (even though we had not learned it from him directly). So I am not criticizing a practice about which I know nothing (or one in which I have no experience). I am criticizing a practice I foolishly allowed to deceive me for a significant portion of my early Christian life. When it comes to being deceived by mysticism, I have had abundant involvement. The only way I escaped it was through discovering and adopting the Reformation principle of sola scriptura.

In this article I will show that Foster’s “journey inward” is unbiblical and dangerous. I will show that most of the spiritual disciplines that he calls “means of grace” are no means of grace at all-but a means of putting oneself under spiritual deception.

The Journey Inward

The Bible nowhere describes an inward journey to explore the realm of the spirit. God chose to reveal the truth about spiritual reality through His ordained, Spirit-inspired, biblical writers. What is spiritual and not revealed by God is of the occult and, therefore, forbidden. We have discussed this in many articles and have produced DVD seminars on the topic. But the concept of sola scriptura is totally lost on mystics such as Richard Foster. They, like the enthusiasts that Calvin and Luther warned against, believe they can gain valid and useful knowledge of spiritual things through direct, personal inspiration.

Foster describes the idea of the disciplines that are the topic of his book: “The classical Disciplines of the spiritual life call us to move beyond surface living into the depths. They invite us to explore the inner caverns of the spiritual realm.”4 So Foster has conceptually repudiated sola scriptura on page one to replace it with a journey inward to explore the realm of spirits. Something must have been seriously amiss in evangelicalism already in 1978 to render this book a bestseller! It ought to have been repudiated on the spot. In a footnote to that statement Foster writes, “In one form or another all of the devotional masters have affirmed the necessity of the Disciplines” (Foster: 1). The devotional “masters,” by the way, are mostly Roman Catholics who never were committed to the principle of sola scriptura. It is not surprising that they looked for spirituality through experimentation. But as an “inner light” Quaker, Foster never was committed to sola scriptura either.

Forgetting that the Bible forbids divination, Foster explains what he is after:

[W]e must be willing to go down into the recreating silences, into the inner world of contemplation. In their writings, all of the masters of meditation strive to awaken us to the fact that the universe is much larger than we know, that there are vast unexplored inner regions that are just as real as the physical world we know so well. . . . They call us to the adventure, to be pioneers in this frontier of the Spirit. (Foster: 13)
Realizing that his readers would likely take this as an endorsement of Eastern religions, he makes a disclaimer that it is not Transcendental Meditation (TM) or something of that ilk: “Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind; Christian meditation is an attempt to empty the mind in order to fill it” (Foster: 15). But what Foster wishes us to fill our minds with are personal revelations from the spirit realm that we naively are to think are the voice of God. This sort of meditation is not meditating on what God has said, but uses a technique to explore the spirit world. In other words, it is divination.

What we learn about the spirit realm either is revealed by God (once for all in Scripture) or gleaned by man-made techniques. That distinction is the difference between Christianity and paganism. Only Bible believers know what God has said about Himself and what He wishes to reveal about the unseen spirit world. Foster’s material continues to be popular because we live in an age where being spiritual pioneers on a journey into the unseen realm of the spirits is the essence of popular piety. It is the spirituality of secular talk shows.

To fully understand the degree of Foster’s deception, he even calls these techniques to the inner journey “means of grace”: “They [the Disciplines] are God’s means of grace” (Foster: 6). As with all who teach spiritual disciplines, there are no boundaries to these false “means.” For example, consider this recommended practice: “After you have gained some proficiency in centering down, add a five- to ten-minute meditation on some aspect of the creation. Choose something in the created order: tree, plant, bird, leaf, cloud, and each day ponder it carefully and prayerfully” (Foster 25). This after he had just taught breathing exercises (a means of “centering down”). Then he makes a startling claim: “We should not bypass this means of God’s grace” (Foster: 25). And there we have it: meditating of a leaf can be a means of grace!

Foster’s journey inward is to discover a spirit world that is available for any who search for it: “How then do we come to believe in a world of the spirit? Is it by blind faith? Not at all. The inner reality of the spiritual world is available to all who are willing to search for it” (Foster: 18). He claims that this spiritual search is analogous to scientific experimentation. Never mind that every pagan culture that has existed has believed in the “spiritual world.”

Spirituality of the Imagination

The Bible does not have anything good so say about the imagination. For example: “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the Lord'” (Jeremiah 23:16). A search of the KJV for “imagination” yields 14 verses, and in each case it is a bad thing. According to the Bible, the imagination is where people go when they do not want to listen to God.

However, for Foster the imagination is central: “The inner world of meditation is most easily entered through the door of the imagination. We fail today to appreciate its tremendous power. The imagination is stronger than conceptual thought and stronger than the will” (Foster: 22). Some of the authorities he cites on this point are C. G. Jung, Ignatius of Loyola, and Morton Kelsey. Jung is famous for his concept of the collective unconscious, and Kelsey was an Episcopal priest committed to Jungian principles. Kelsey wrote many books promoting mysticism. The advice Foster gleans from these teachers is that we must learn to think in images and take our dreams to be a possible doorway into the spirit world. Foster claims that dreams are something we already have and can help us develop the use of the imagination. He says, “Keeping a journal of our dreams is a way of taking them seriously” (Foster: 23).

There is, Foster warns, a danger to this process: “At the same time [that we ask for dreams to be God speaking to us], it is wise to pray a prayer of protection, since to open ourselves to spiritual influence can be dangerous as well as profitable” (Foster: 23). I would say that is asking God to protect us as we use various techniques to go where He does not want us to go (into the world of the spirits to gain information). The danger he warns of is far greater than Foster imagines. Those who take the journey inward will be deceived-every time! We are not equipped to gain spiritual information from that realm. That is why God speaks to us through His ordained mediators (the inspired Biblical writers); otherwise we would be fishing in the dark in a medium we are not suited for.

Foster teaches his readers to use their imaginations to experience Biblical stories with the five physical senses. Here is what he claims will happen:

As you enter the story, not as a passive observer but as an active participant, remember that since Jesus lives in the Eternal Now and is not bound by time, this event in the past is a living present-tense experience for Him. Hence, you can actually encounter the living Christ in the event, be addressed by His voice and be touched by His healing power. It can be more than an exercise of the imagination; it can be a genuine confrontation. Jesus Christ will actually come to you. (Foster: 26)
Showing that Foster’s ideas are still influential in our day, Greg Boyd cites some of Foster’s words here to support what he calls “cataphatic prayer” which uses the imagination and images as a means to contact God and gain spiritual information.5 Those who endorse this practice assume they are not being deceived by spirits, but I cannot see on what grounds.

Foster prescribes a practice using one’s imagination that mimics astral projection to the degree that he actually includes a footnote disclaimer stating that it is not astral projection (Foster 28). It begins by telling his readers to imagine themselves going out into nature into a beautiful place (Boyd describes how he practices this, as well as its results6). After enjoying the sights and smells (in your imagination) these are the next steps:

In your imagination allow your spiritual body, shining with light, to rise out of your physical body. Look back so that you can see yourself lying in the grass and reassure your body that you will return momentarily. Imagine your spiritual self, alive and vibrant, rising up through the clouds and into the stratosphere. . . Go deeper and deeper into outer space until there is nothing except the warm presence of the eternal Creator. Rest in His presence. Listen quietly, anticipating the unanticipated. Note carefully any instruction given. With time and experience you will be able to distinguish readily between mere human thought that may bubble up to the conscious mind and the True Spirit which inwardly moves upon the heart. (Foster: 27, 28)
I must ask how one knows whether “True Spirit” is not a deceiving one? Mysticism’s fatal flaw is that it naively assumes that Christians having subjective religious experiences must therefore be having Christian experiences that are truly from God-even if the experiences were provoked through unbiblical practices similar to those used by pagans.

Mental Alchemy

Foster’s approach to prayer is laced with mysticism as well. He claims that prayer needs to be learned from people who have the right experiences and are “masters” who know what they are doing. Foster does not teach ordinary prayer, whereby we bring our needs and requests to the Lord and know that He hears us (because He promised that He does). Here is why he thinks such prayer fails:

Often people will pray and pray with all the faith in the world, but nothing happens. Naturally, they were not contacting the channel. We begin praying for others by first centering down and listening to the quiet thunder of the Lord of hosts. Attuning ourselves to divine breathings is spiritual work, but without it our praying is vain repetition (Mt. 6:7). Listening to the Lord is the first thing, the second thing, and the third thing necessary for successful intercession. (Foster: 34)
Of course this means we have to become mystics if we want to pray.

He teaches that we first must hear personal revelations from God, using meditation techniques such as he teaches, before we pray. He says: “The beginning point, then, in learning to pray for others is to listen for guidance . . . This inner “yes” is the divine authorization for you to pray for the person or situation” (Foster: 35). No! Foster is wrong! The only authorization we need to pray is the Biblical command to pray-not personal revelations.

For Foster, meditation (mystical style) is necessary but not sufficient. He also brings the imagination into the process: “As with meditation, the imagination is a powerful tool in the work of prayer” (Foster: 36). He credits Agnes Sanford7 for helping him see the value of using the imagination in praying. Foster writes, “Imagination opens the door to faith. If we can ‘see’ in our mind’s eye a shattered marriage whole or a sick person well, it is only a short step to believing it will be so” (Foster: 36). Sanford got her ideas from Theosophy, New Thought, Jung, and Emmet Fox. These ideas, echoed by Foster, come from the unbiblical “mind over matter” thinking of that era. That kind of thinking uses creative visualization to change reality or channel spiritual power. Foster suggests, “Imagine the light of Christ flowing through your hands and healing every emotional trauma and hurt feeling your child experienced that day” (Foster: 39).

In his 1985 book, The Seduction of Christianity, Dave Hunt labeled creative visualization such as what Foster promotes, “mental alchemy.”8 Hunt warned the church that Foster promoted such mental alchemy in Celebration of Discipline, and as we have shown, he, in fact, does. So how is it that 24 years after Hunt’s warning Foster is more popular than ever with Evangelicals? The answer is end times deception. Now, a huge movement that claims to be a reformation promoting Foster, Willard and their versions of mysticism does exist (i.e., The Emergent Church). Things have gotten so very much worse.

Spiritual Directors

Once mysticism and the supposed need to gain personal revelations from God are embraced, there arises a need for new “masters” who are better at navigating the spirit world. Pagan societies have always had such persons. They are called “shamans.” Eastern religion calls them “gurus.” Deceived Christians call them “spiritual directors.” Foster explains, “In the Middle Ages not even the greatest saints attempted the depths of the inward journey without the help of a spiritual director” (Foster: 159). The problem, according to Foster, is that the churches (in 1978) lacked “living masters”:

No doubt part of the surge of interest in Eastern meditation is because the churches have abrogated the field. How depressing for a university student, seeking to know the Christian teaching on meditation, to discover that there are so few living masters of contemplative prayer and that nearly all of the serious writings on the subject are seven or more centuries old. No wonder he or she turns to Zen, Yoga, or TM. (Foster: 14)
Foster’s dream has come true. Today people can even practice Yoga in a Christian church. We have Christian TM; it is called contemplative prayer. Yes, Eastern religion has come right into the church, and Foster has helped usher it in.

But what about “living masters” or spiritual directors? In 1972 Morton Kelsey lamented their lack: “Indeed I would suggest that everyone who is serious about relating to the spiritual realm find himself a spiritual director, if there were more men trained and experienced in this way.”9 That “problem” has been solved in a huge way. Evangelical theology schools are now offering masters degrees in “spiritual formation” in order to equip people to be “spiritual directors.” Here is what Biola University says about its program: “This degree is designed to equip men and women for the ministry of spiritual direction, discipleship, formation and soul care in the local church and for further academic training in spiritual formation.”10 Spiritual Directors International will help you find a spiritual director regardless of your religion.11 Richard Foster’s own Renovare, which purports to “encourage renewal in the Christian church,” has a list of spiritual direction programs.12

Foster explains the purpose of the spiritual director: “He is the means of God to open the path to the inward teaching of the Holy Spirit” (Foster: 160). Apparently, in a full-blown rejection of sola scriptura where the Holy Spirit’s teaching is mediated to the church through the Biblical writers only, we need mediators for personal revelations beyond scripture.

Foster explains how spiritual directors lead: “He leads only by the force of his own personal holiness” (Foster: 160). In Roman Catholicism the Pope is called “his holiness” and in Tibetan Buddhism the Dalai Lama is called “his holiness” but now evangelicals are developing a class of people who evidently deserve the title. How exactly are we to judge when someone has gained “personal holiness” sufficient to be a spiritual director and mediate spirituality to others? Foster says, “Though the director has obviously advanced further into the inner depths, the two [master and disciple] are together learning and growing in the realm of the Spirit” (Foster: 160). Foster cites Roman Catholic mystic Thomas Merton about how this works: “The spiritual director was something of a ‘spiritual father who begot the perfect life in the soul of his disciple by his instructions first of all, but also by his prayer, his sanctity and his example. He was . . . a kind of ‘sacrament’ of the Lord’s presence in the ecclesiastical community” (Foster: 161).

End Times Delusion

When it comes to end times deception, Foster is on the cutting edge of embracing it. Consider what he wrote: “In our day heaven and earth are on tiptoe waiting for the emerging of a Spirit-led, Spirit-intoxicated, Spirit-empowered people. . . . Individuals can be found here and there whose hearts burn with divine fire” (Foster: 150). Such inclinations have led to massive deception. They smack of the Latter Rain deception, now embodied in such false teachers as Rick Joyner and Mike Bickle. They are elitist. They are in line with the beliefs of the Emergent Church as well. He also says: “Our century has yet to see the breaking forth of the apostolic church of the Spirit” (Foster: 150). Now we have the New Apostolic Reformation claiming to be just that. Foster’s ideas now embody the massive apostasy and end times deception that characterize our age.

Foster’s teachings have taken the church as far away from the Reformation principle of sola scriptura as the Roman Catholic Church ever was. The only thing left is for them to bring us all the way back to Rome. Christianity Today praises Foster for pointing us in that direction.

In early 2008 I wrote a CIC article about how abandoning the principle of sola scriptura would lead evangelicals back to Rome.13 It was partly a response to the CT article praising mysticism. The response I received was rather unexpected. I was contacted by former evangelicals who had rejected sola scriptura and had gone back to Rome! They wanted to debate me about sola scriptura. Sadly, my point was proven. As a response to their misguided challenge our church hosted a seminar on sola scriptura, called Faith at Risk 4. In the seminar Gary Gilley and I defended the scriptures as the sole authority for the church.14

The aforementioned CT article discusses a new monasticism, former evangelical leaders converting to Roman Catholicism, and mystical practices like lectio divina-and they call all of it a good and hopeful thing. Chris Armstrong, the author of the article, concluded, “That they [evangelicals] are receiving good guidance on this road from wise teachers [Foster and Willard] is reason to believe that Christ is guiding the process. And that they are meeting and learning from fellow Christians in the other two great confessions, Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox, is reason to rejoice in the power of love.”15

Who is left to defend the principles of the Reformation? One would think Reformed theologians are, but they aren’t doing their job. In the last CIC article we mentioned Reformed theologian Donald Whitney who wrote: “Richard Foster’s Celebration of Discipline has been the most popular book on the subject of the Spiritual Disciplines in the last half of the twentieth century. The great contribution of this work is the reminder that the Spiritual Disciplines, which many see as restrictive and binding, are actually means to spiritual freedom.”16 That from a teacher in a Reformed seminary?

If a book that teaches Christian TM, Christian astral projection and mental alchemy by means of the imagination is a “great contribution,” then something is seriously wrong here. The delusion is so widespread that I see no other explanation for it than the end time deception predicted by Paul: “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,” (1Timothy 4:1). Another passage warns: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths” (2Timothy 4:3, 4).

That time now is here. We are accountable to God for what we believe and practice. Those who wish to persevere in the faith in this age of delusion must base their beliefs and practices only on the truths found in Scripture. Foster’s journey into the world of the spirits will deceive all who enter it.

Issue 112 – May / June 2009

End Notes

Chris Armstong, “The Future lies in the Past” in Christianity Today, February 2008.
Ibid. 24.
Ibid. 29.
Richard Foster, Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth (New York: Harper & Row, 1978) 1. All subsequent citations from this book will be bracketed within the text in this fashion: (Foster: 1).
Greg Boyd, Seeing is Believing, (Grand Rapids: Baker, 2004). Boyd cites Foster to prove that the Lord will actually come to us through our use of “imaginative meditation.” I deal with this issue more fully in CIC issue 83 July/August, 2003: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue83.htm
Ibid. 111-125.
I write about Sanford’s inner healing theories in CIC Issue 96: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue96.htm
Dave Hunt and T. A. McMahon, The Seduction of Christianity (Eugene: Harvest House, 1985) 138.
Morton Kelsey, Encounter With God, (Bethany Fellowship: Minneapolis, 1972) 179.
http://www.biola.edu/spiritualformation/programs/
http://www.sdiworld.org
http://www.renovare.org/journey_training_direction.htm
CIC Issue 105; March/April 2008: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue105.htm
That seminar is available here: http://www.cicstore.org/servlet/the-60/Faith-at-Risk-4/Detail
Armstrong, Future
Donald S. Whitney, Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life (Colorado Springs: Navpress, 1991) 23.

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District Superintendent Speaks Out-

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on July 16, 2010

I received a copy of the following letter which was sent to Nazarene District Superintendents. It was written by Dr. Orville Jenkins, Jr., Superintendent of the North Florida District, Church of the Nazarene. Dr. Jenkins is not affiliated with Concerned Nazarenes or Stand For Truth Ministries, and I have never met him or spoken with him. But I an thankful for his courage in speaking out on some really serious issues we are facing. In my last post, I referenced Ezekiel 33:1-9, and I believe that what he is doing is an example of being a true watchman for the Lord. Manny Silva

July 10, 2010
To Whom It May Concern:

This is a follow-up to the letter written three months ago, sent originally to 30 of my district superintendent colleagues and friends, in which I shared some personal concerns due to recent trends and events in the Church of the Nazarene, and specifically, the continued and expanding influence of the liberal Emergent Church (or Emerging) movement upon our church and its schools. This influence has been primarily in the U.S., and specific examples were cited…

Dear everyone
If you would like to read the rest of this letter please email me at nogoofyzone@hotmail.com and I will forward you a copy. The letter was written by a good Godly man who had voiced some concerns over the Emergent Church within the denomination he loves very much.
This letter was used by some ungodly rabble such as John Brickley over at Naz Net and tossed around by the usual bunch of ministers of misinformation.
Orville is not a member of Concerned Nazarenes or Concerned Christian’s he is just a good Christian brother who is concerned about the road to ruin the Nazarene denomination seems to be headed toward.
He has no connections with our groups or websites.
He loves his denomination and its rich holiness heritage and voiced what he thinks.
We posted the letter to let others who have the same concerns know that they are not alone.
For the record Orville has not asked me to take down this post Im doing it on my own free will because there is no point to let the ungodly dog pile all over Orville for just voicing his concerns.
Then he is used for cannon fodder over at Naz Net.
I’m sure their intent is to try to cause trouble for Orville simply because he disagrees with the road the denomination seems to be headed on.
That of course is my opinion but it is the MO of some of those at the Emergent friendly/liberal website Naz Net.

On a high note they recently congratulated a person for his 1000 post.
I say kudos for that.
If the person is spending that much time on Naz Net he has less time to lead any congregation astray.
I find Naz Net to be a place of constant contradiction.
First of all site coordinator Hans Deventer (one of their undiscerning leaders ) compares us with the Spanish Inquistion
Hans-
“That’s not so hard to imagine. The goal is not unity, the goal is not conversation, the goal is victory by whatever means possible because it is about truth, and truth only. The goal is either to have you surrender to their views, or leave the church. It’s like 15th century Spain all over, and we are the “Jews” and they are the “Christians”.
And then Hans seems to call for our deaths.
Hans-
“They will one day die, that much I am certain about, and that will be the only thing that stops them short of the Lord returning and straightening them out.”
I know I will be accused of taking Hans quote out of context but this is the second time Hans has mentioned that the people in our group will die.
Why state the obvious Im wondering?
Of course all people die if the Lord Jesus tarries.
This is not the first time Hans has made these kind of statements concerning our group.
This is not about being paranoid (trust me we are not paranoid or scared) I am aware that Hans is already trying to paint that picture.
Throwing that kind of stuff out to the public (many of whom oppose us) is not a very wise thing to do Hans.
It just shows you some of the very sick and demented thinking and reasoning that goes on over at Naz Net in some of their leadership.
It also show the weak leadership over at Naz net.
I take those kind of veiled threats very seriously and wonder how a person can be a Christian and yet state those type of things?
Best answer is they are probably not Christian.
I do however appreciate the fact that God uses Naz Net to bring light to the very darkness( darknessin the form of the Emergent Church heresy and folks who would tear apart the very words of God) that is developing over the Nazarene denomination and the Body of Christ by prompting some to link to our sites.

As for some of the folks over at Naz Net Jesus really said it best in John 8:44

“You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

Please forgive me for the rant but Orville is not part of our group and I hate to see him attacked and put down simply because he voices some of the same concerns we have with the Nazarene denomination.
Again anyone wanting to see the letter pleae email me or Manny.
my email is nogoofyzone@hotmail.com
Sincerely in Christ
Tim

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A review of the Voice

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on July 8, 2010

Great review from my brother in the Lord Chris Rosebrough
“Emergent church leaders such a Brian McLaren and Chris Seay in conjunction with a pack of poets, songwriters and storytellers have just released a new “translation” of the Bible that they claim is a “fresh expression of the timeless narrative known as the Bible”. The name of this fresh “translation” is The Voice and it claims to be a dynamic translation of the Bible. Unfortunately, not since the release of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures in 1950 has there been a bible published that so blatantly mangles and distorts God’s Word in order to support a peculiar and aberrant theological agenda”
Read the rest of the article here-
Review

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Scripture Twisting Methods of the Cults

Posted by nazarenepsalm113 on July 8, 2010

This article also applies to many of the false teachers and pastors of the Emergent Church as well as the mentality of the heresy filled website Naz Net.
Word Faith teachers also use these methods in order to steal money from their congregations and many undiscerning television viewers.
Sad to say these same methods are used in many Christian colleges (very popular in some Nazarene colleges).
Even more sad to say Christians have become members of churches that are cult-like (Emergent churches etc..) and are not even aware that they are no longer in a biblical based fellowship.

Scripture Twisting Methods of the Cults
by James Sire

1. INACCURATE QUOTATION: A biblical text is referred to but is either not quoted in the way the text appears in any standard translation or is wrongly attributed. Example: The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi says, “Christ said, ‘Be still and know that I am God.'” Whereas this text is found ONLY in Psalms.

2. TWISTED TRANSLATION: The biblical text is retranslated, not in accordance with sound Greek scholarship, to fit a preconceived teaching of a cult. Example: the Jehovah’s Witnesses translate John 1:1 as “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god.”

3. BIBLICAL HOOK: A text of Scripture is quoted primarily as a device to grasp the attention of readers or listeners and then followed by a teaching which is so nonbiblical that it would appear far more dubious to most people had it not been preceded by a reference to Scripture. Example: Mormon missionaries quote James 1:5 which promises God’s wisdom to those who ask him and, then, follow this by explaining that when Joseph Smith did this he was given a revelation from which he concluded that God the Father has a body.

4. IGNORING THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT: A text of Scripture is quoted but removed from the surrounding verses which form the immediate framework for its meaning. Example: Alan Watts quotes the first half of John 5:39 (“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life”), claiming that Jesus was challenging His listeners’ over emphasis of the Old Testament, but the remainder of the immediate context reads, “and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life” (verses 39-40), which shows that Jesus was upholding the value of the Old Testament as a testimony to Himself.

5. COLLAPSING CONTEXTS: Two or more verses which have little or nothing to do with each other are put together as if one were a commentary of the other(s). Example: The Mormons associate Jeremiah 1:5 with John 1:2,14 and thus imply that both verses talk about the premortal existence of all human beings; Jeremiah 1:5, however, speaks of God’s foreknowledge of Jeremiah (Not his premortal existence) and JOhn 1:2 refers to the pre-existence of God the Son and not to human beings in general.

6. OVERSPECIFICATION: A more detailed or specific conclusion than is legitimate is drawn from a biblical text. Example: The Mormon missionary manual quotes the parable of the virgins from Matthew 25:1-13 to document the concept that “mortality is a probationary period during which we prepare to meet God.” But the parable of the virgins could, and most probably does, mean something far less specific, for example, that human beings should be prepared at any time to meet God or to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

7. WORD PLAY: A word or phrase from a biblical translation is examined and interpreted as if the revelation had been given in that language. Example: mary Bake Eddy says the name Adam consist of two syllables, A DAM, which means an obstruction, in which case, Adam signifies “the obstacle which the serpent, sin, would impose between man and his Creator.”

8. THE FIGURATIVE FALLACY: Either (1) mistaking literal language for figurative language or (2)mistaking figurative language for literal language. Example of (1): Mary Baker Eddy interprets EVENING as “mistiness of mortal thought; weariness of mortal mind; obscured views; peace and rest.” Example of (2): The Mormon theologian james Talmage interprets the prophesy that “thou shalt be brought down and speak out of the ground” to mean that God’s Word would come to people from the Book of Mormon which was taken out of the ground at the hill of Cumorah.

9. SPECULATIVE READINGS OF PREDICTIVE PROPHESY: A predictive prophesy is too readily explained by the occurance of specific events, despite the fact that equally committed biblical scholars consider the interpretation highly dubious. Example: The stick of Judah and the Stick of Joseph in Ezekiel 37:15- 23 are interpreted by the Mormons to mean the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

10. SAYING BUT NOT CITING: A writer says that the Bible says such and such but does not cite the specific text (which often indicates that there may be no such text at all). Example: A common phrase “God helps those who help themselves” is not found in the Bible.

11. SELECTIVE CITING: To substantiate a given argument, only a limited number of text is quoted: the total teaching of Scripture on that subject would lead to a conclusion different from that of the writer. Example: The Jehovah’s Witnesses critique the traditional Christian notion of the Trinity without considering the full text which scholars use to substantiate the concept.

12. INADEQUATE EVIDENCE: A hasty generalization is drawn from too little evidence. Example: The Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that blood transfusion is nonbiblical, but the biblical data that they cite fails either to speak directly to the issue or to adequately substantiate their teaching.

13. CONFUSED DEFINITION: A biblical term is misunderstood in such a way that an essential biblical doctrine is distorted or rejected. Example: one of Edgar Cayce’s followers confuses the eastern doctrine of reincarnation with the biblical doctrine of being born again.

14. IGNORING ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATIONS: A specific interpretation given to a biblical text or set of text which could well be, and often have been, interpreted in quite a different fashion, but these alternatives are not considered. Example: Erich von Daniken asks why in Genesis 1:26 God speaks in the plural (“us”), suggesting that this is an oblique reference to God’s being one of many astronauts and failing to consider alternative explanations that either God was speaking as “Heaven’s king accompanied by His heavenly host” or that the plural prefigures the doctrine of the Trinity expressed more explicitly in the New Testament.

15. THE OBVIOUS FALLACY: Words like OBVIOUSLY, UNDOUBTEDLY, CERTAINLY, ALL REASONABLE PEOPLE HOLD THAT and so forth are substituted for logical reasons. Example: Erich von daniken says, “Undoubtedly the Ark [of the Covenent] was electrically charged!”

16. VIRTUE BY ASSOCIATION: Either (1) a cult writer a ssociates his or her teaching with those of figures accepted as authoritative by traditional Christians; (2) cult writings are likened to the Bible; or (3) cult literature imitates the form of the Bible writing such that it sounds like the Bible. Example of (1): Rick Chapman list 21 gurus, including Jesus Christ, St. Francis and St. Theresa, that “you can’t go wrong with.” Example of (2): Juan Mascaro in his introduction to the Upanishads cites the New Testament, the Gospels, Ecclesiastes and the Psalms, from which he quotes passages supposedly paralleling the Upanishads. Example of (3): The Mormon DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS interweaves phrases from the Gospel of John and maintains a superficial similarity to the Gospel such that it seems to be like the Bible.

17. ESOTERIC INTERPRETATION: Under the assumption that the Bible contains hidden, esoteric, meaning which is open only to those who are initiated into its secrets, the interpreter declares the significance of biblical passages without giving much, if any, explanation for his or her interpretation. Example: Mary Baker Eddy gives the meaning of the first phrase in the Lord’s Prayer, “Our Father which art in heaven,” as “Our Father-Mother God, all harmonious.”

18. SUPPLEMENTING BIBLICAL AUTHORITY: New revelation from post biblical prophets either replaces or is added to the Bible as authority. Example: The Mormons supplement the Bible with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.

19. REJECTING BIBLICAL AUTHORITY: Either the Bible as a whole or texts from the Bible are examined and rejected because they do not square with other authorities – such as reason or revelation = do not appear to agree with them. Example:Archie Matson holds that the Bible contains contradictions and that Jesus himself rejected the authority of the Old Testament when he contrasted His own views with it on the Sermon on the Mount.

20. WORLD-VIEW CONFUSION: Scriptural statements, stories, commands or symbols which have a particular meaning or set of meanings when taken within the intellectual and broadly cultural framework of the Bible itself are lifted out of that context, placed within the frame of reference of another system and thus given a meaning that markedly differs from their intended meaning. Example: The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi interprets “Be still, and know that I am God” as meaning that each person should meditate and come to the realization that he is essentially Godhood itself.

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